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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: Pete Heist <pete@eventide.io>
Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] mesh deployment with ath9k driver changes
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 23:32:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878t9c70jd.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B0A1D004-DFFF-40A8-BC5F-532E2F6CE6AC@eventide.io>

Pete Heist <pete@eventide.io> writes:

>> On Apr 24, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure. You do get HOL blocking while a packet is retried, basically.
>> And ath9k will keep trying way after it should have given up (up to 30
>> retries per packet). If you combine this with a lot of backoff for each
>> transmission (which is also quite likely in a very congested setting),
>> and I suppose it might be possible…
>
> So that means everyone else waits while a packet is sent and re-sent
> to a station with a weak signal, for example? I see how that would
> wreck the latency pretty quick with the number of stations connected,
> plus channel contention with another repeater. It may be a much bigger
> factor than bloat.

Yup, exactly...

> The physical situation is that there’s an AP on the roof of one cabin,
> and it’s surrounded by about 8 occupied cabins, each with 4 kids, at
> least one of which is probably curled up inside using Instagram or
> YouTube. Signals and tx bitrates of the stations are below, for
> interest. What I’ll try to find out is if it’s the activities of one
> or two devices that affect things the most, as it appears that mean
> latency can suddenly go down to < 10ms and up to > 200ms because of
> “something"...

Yeah, with those signal rates, there's going to be quite some pause when
the slow stations try to transmit something... :/

-Toke

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-24 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-24  8:33 Pete Heist
2018-04-24 11:54 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24 13:37   ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24 13:51     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24 14:09       ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24 14:34         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-24 19:10           ` Pete Heist
2018-04-24 21:32             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2018-04-25  6:05               ` Pete Heist
2018-04-25  6:36                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-25 17:17                   ` Pete Heist
2018-04-26  0:41                 ` David Lang
2018-04-26 19:40                   ` Pete Heist
2018-04-26  0:38               ` David Lang
2018-04-26 21:41                 ` Pete Heist
2018-04-26 21:44                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-04-26 21:56                     ` Pete Heist
2018-04-26 22:04                       ` David Lang
2018-04-26 22:47                         ` Pete Heist
2018-04-27 10:15                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-04-27 10:32                             ` Pete Heist
2018-04-26  0:35       ` David Lang
2018-04-27 11:42 ` Valent Turkovic
2018-04-27 11:50   ` Pete Heist
2018-04-27 11:59     ` Valent Turkovic
2018-04-27 12:17       ` Pete Heist
2018-04-27 11:47 ` Valent Turkovic
2018-04-27 12:00   ` Pete Heist
2018-05-19 16:03 bkil
2018-05-20 18:56 ` Pete Heist
2018-05-31  0:52 ` David Lang
2018-06-08  9:37   ` Pete Heist
2018-06-09 15:32     ` bkil
2018-06-13 13:07       ` Pete Heist
2018-06-13 13:24         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-06-13 16:01           ` Pete Heist
2018-06-30 19:14             ` bkil
2018-07-04 21:47               ` Pete Heist
2018-07-05 13:08                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-05 17:26                   ` Pete Heist
2018-07-05 17:37                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-05 18:02                       ` Pete Heist
2018-07-05 20:17                         ` Jonathan Morton
2018-07-09  2:20                           ` Aaron Wood
2018-07-09  5:17                             ` Jonathan Morton
2018-07-09  6:27                               ` Pete Heist
2018-07-09 12:55                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-07-09 23:21                                   ` Pete Heist
2018-07-09  5:13                 ` David Lang
2018-07-09 23:33               ` Pete Heist
2018-07-10  0:39                 ` Pete Heist
2018-07-10  7:02                   ` bkil
2018-06-13 16:30           ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-06-13 17:50             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found]       ` <CADuVhRWL2aVjzjfLHg1nPFa8Ae-hWrGrE7Wga4eUKon3oqoTXA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-06-30 19:26         ` bkil
2018-06-30 20:04           ` Jannie Hanekom

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