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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Diagram of the ath9k TX path
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 17:20:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vb2kk4ds.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw6BcjEPg0P5TigC4oK81+T0dxS5_GdgwaauDTrGfCvazg@mail.gmail.com> (Dave Taht's message of "Wed, 11 May 2016 08:09:51 -0700")

Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Dave Täht <dave@taht.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 5/10/16 2:04 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>> David Lang <david@lang.hm> writes:
>>>
>>>> There are two parts to this process
>>>>
>>>> 1. the tactical (do you send the pending packet immediately, or do you
>>>> delay it to see if you can save airtime with aggregation)
>>>
>>> A colleague of mine looked into this some time ago as part of his PhD
>>> thesis. This was pre-801.11n, so they were doing experiments on adding
>>> aggregation to 802.11g by messing with the MTU. What they found was that
>>> they actually got better results from just sending data when they had it
>>> rather than waiting to see if more showed up.
>>
>> cat 802.11g_research/* > /dev/null
>
> Sorry, that was overly pithy (precoffee here). What I'd meant was that
> 802.11e's assumptions as to how to do scheduling, particularly for
> QoS, and how 802.11g behaved in comparison to n and later, does not
> give you much of a starting point on how to address things now.
> Successive standards and implementations have made certain things much
> better and other things much worse.

802.11e != 802.11g. I am completely ignoring 802.11e for now, and the
rest of the standard is not that different between g/n/ac; it's
basically different rates, encodings and interframe gaps. Which from a
scheduling point of view simply means different constants.

Once we have a working baseline scheduler we can think about how to
behave sanely in an 802.11e world; as far as I'm concerned the right
answer might just be "shut it off entirely"... :P

-Toke

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-11 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-09 11:00 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-09 15:35 ` Dave Taht
2016-05-10  2:25   ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-10  2:59     ` Dave Taht
2016-05-10  3:30       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [ath9k-devel] " Adrian Chadd
2016-05-10  4:04         ` Dave Taht
2016-05-10  4:22           ` Aaron Wood
2016-05-10  7:15           ` Adrian Chadd
2016-05-10  7:17             ` Adrian Chadd
2016-05-10  3:41       ` [Make-wifi-fast] " David Lang
2016-05-10  4:59         ` Dave Taht
2016-05-10  5:22           ` David Lang
2016-05-10  9:04             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-11 14:12               ` Dave Täht
2016-05-11 15:09                 ` Dave Taht
2016-05-11 15:20                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2016-05-13 17:46         ` Bob McMahon
2016-05-13 17:49           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-13 18:05             ` Bob McMahon
2016-05-13 18:11               ` Bob McMahon
2016-05-13 18:57               ` Dave Taht
2016-05-13 19:20                 ` Aaron Wood
2016-05-13 20:21                   ` Dave Taht
2016-05-13 20:51                     ` Dave Taht
2016-05-13 20:49           ` David Lang

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