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From: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org,
	Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Babel-users] reducing delays in wifi mcast queues
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 02:43:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhweb9lj.wl-jch@irif.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw488M1gVpvA5wg63Fx=OZMEabwHFbU-PsWkwQdb1VfXEA@mail.gmail.com>

>> Interesting.  AFAIK, ECN is only considered by AQM queues, so this implies
>> there's a queue in the way that's dropping Babel packets.

> There's fq_codel on every queue, which does FQ, and codel assumes
> everything is at least moderately TCP friendly (and/or reasonably
> responsive to ecn marks)

Jonathan seems to agree with you.

Were your tests run with more than 60 installed routes or so?

>> Or perhaps, if we know which queue that is,
>> we could modify Babel's packet scheduling to be more AQM friendly?

> How would you describe babel's packet schedulig now?

The main flaw is that it sends periodic updates as a burst of back-to-back
full-size packets.  That could trigger Codel if you had more than 60
routes or so.

> So dumping packets in there at a rate no more than 20ms each (short term
> burst of 100ms) - relative to whatever bandwidth can be achieved vs the
> other flows.

Right.  Guilty as charged.

-- Juliusz

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-19  0:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-19  4:15 [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2018-09-18 23:19 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Babel-users] " Juliusz Chroboczek
2018-09-18 23:31   ` Dave Taht
2018-09-19  0:04     ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2018-09-19  0:07       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-09-19  0:32       ` Dave Taht
2018-09-19  0:43         ` Juliusz Chroboczek [this message]
2018-09-19  0:53           ` Dave Taht
2018-09-19  6:05           ` Jonathan Morton

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