From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59B3F3B29E for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id x6-v6so5618153wmc.3 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:01:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=ZuxW0vxtbrGk4jq39nBBp3M34wxI2IQt6s2fBz0suC8=; b=NBccMcjYqYmBXIQxXlHUFW0JPxBP5rf/mt+hYwZUwTSYt1Z2OXMIGfirlD9FVJ7OLs 3ej0VpxFKBRq9hV+C36NHzwqPUFJNqhHEsxfnVINySbeOQbs/zxj8ewegjeJF1/4m1Mq lJ9Cnkvvo+kH7YuWH3g5SrWkQw7W5BnztijBYXS7bw2s1ROd8sDewfaZeS8cXDSXnMzx ORmc/wz0MoN9yHIbgzQZaEavr+D2XHkJkvwCNinPQB61ETH+doBxIjEpweqv5P0MQG27 EmPCuSpz2GC/Um5kzDHSw3M+Wvc6HtADjp90tfr0UpuIUcOUZL7LL3wThGi1OLS8+B6j YNXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=ZuxW0vxtbrGk4jq39nBBp3M34wxI2IQt6s2fBz0suC8=; b=HjqUgOL+7mhYp/Ao3iJVTHqh0wy3YcjdpjlcAuRqJ79nSwvtOUjhefEHtfMREFkQkH 71XgeOc8kN4gLaKeJC3pxtvBiYlXpLEsQoaMQkmnjS41dPk3h/yr4kIhGqywDoyuPjOM WXWlUVeZ/UboHOeYXZeiLBpvpD7oWHTkyoG3sU3SxkLXMUfFx1t0jMO+OzxDeKTwRQ5H Qhhyty+3GwW/WyU8BiLyWPG9y1d1NkC6Va01kkUqeuIKbzRdve77FWwB5bstKiRjvAk2 qykLNK7hiKLb/NAlkt0UVGRFZd2RTEWVOXEP+SCe5e8wFsNGMG44sTnIyIY3OwAIMIHd qKYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E0VQDa2qRUsb170gBkENY+Tei9qOivas543bijTQzaZ9P5b53dg S474UnyrgT6gHQwFSvtR5Enhh+nb/OA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKJMGkRVt10fU77maQsSUK/l3NZJmwz7rC1qjg3SC3OGP//gbScM+ixQ1mit0dAymlXo7kX00w== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:8206:: with SMTP id e6-v6mr4051508wmd.24.1528905678426; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r2-v6sm4200462wmb.39.2018.06.13.09.01.17 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_63C5DDB2-09AD-4386-85B8-ADAB7770BB5B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Pete Heist In-Reply-To: <87d0wu7rbg.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:01:15 +0200 Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-Id: <8A44F1D4-1EB8-4D46-85F9-00C7307FF2D4@heistp.net> References: <9E7E043B-2373-46ED-B122-38A287422999@eventide.io> <87d0wu7rbg.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] mesh deployment with ath9k driver changes X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:01:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_63C5DDB2-09AD-4386-85B8-ADAB7770BB5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jun 13, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > Pete Heist > writes: >=20 >> I=E2=80=99m still waiting for the digging / cabling project to = happen, which >=20 > How to improve WiFi? Run cables! :D Yes, and pave the earth right over=E2=80=A6 :) Seriously, watching this network evolve over the years has been a 6 year = lesson in incremental progress, something like: 1) 4Mbit ADSL + 802.11g 2) 4Mbit ADSL/fq_codel + 802.11g 3) 4Mbit ADSL/fq_codel + 802.11n 4) 40Mbit via P2P WiFi + 802.11n 5) 40Mbit via P2P WiFi + 802.11n 2x2 6) 40Mbit via P2P WiFi + 802.11n 2x2 / make-wifi-fast ath9k driver This is not an enterprise, so we=E2=80=99ve never invested in high-end = hardware, but perhaps life would have been better along the way if the = entire WiFi industry had focused not on maximum single device throughput = but on resolving contention, increasing responsiveness and providing = fairness between multiple users. But then we can=E2=80=99t put =E2=80=9C30= 0 Mbps=E2=80=9D on the box! I do appreciate your ath9k driver work for moving beyond that kind of = thinking, I just need to see if I can fix the other stuff getting in its = way=E2=80=A6 :)= --Apple-Mail=_63C5DDB2-09AD-4386-85B8-ADAB7770BB5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jun 13, 2018, at 3:24 PM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = <toke@toke.dk> = wrote:

Pete Heist <pete@eventide.io> writes:

I=E2=80=99m= still waiting for the digging / cabling project to happen, which

How to improve WiFi? Run cables! :D

Yes, and pave the earth right over=E2=80=A6 = :)

Seriously, = watching this network evolve over the years has been a 6 year lesson in = incremental progress, something like:

1) 4Mbit ADSL + 802.11g
2) 4Mbit ADSL/fq_codel + 802.11g
3) = 4Mbit ADSL/fq_codel + 802.11n
4) = 40Mbit via P2P WiFi + 802.11n
5) 40Mbit via P2P WiFi + 802.11n = 2x2
6) 40Mbit = via P2P WiFi + 802.11n 2x2 / make-wifi-fast ath9k = driver

This is not an enterprise, so we=E2=80=99ve never invested in = high-end hardware, but perhaps life would have been better along the way = if the entire WiFi industry had focused not on maximum single device = throughput but on resolving contention, increasing responsiveness and = providing fairness between multiple users. But then we can=E2=80=99t put = =E2=80=9C300 Mbps=E2=80=9D on the box!

I do appreciate your ath9k driver work = for moving beyond that kind of thinking, I just need to see if I can fix = the other stuff getting in its way=E2=80=A6 :)
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