From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7712F3B2C3; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 14:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hms-beagle.lan ([93.237.70.232]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4WRI-1Ztnkl3JRU-00yiPL; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:25:55 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: <9C673B76-DBC5-4282-A03C-A273D02ACA3B@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:25:54 +0100 Cc: David Lang , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E3D19C3-601A-41B6-B3F9-CD6B35BA96F5@gmx.de> References: <9BD140AE-D0FA-47B1-8BED-DE60E603F6E5@gmail.com> <9C673B76-DBC5-4282-A03C-A273D02ACA3B@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:yESUd7v/m4LX5ImRRhWyNxx3FeUQgpkEj7r1f15LD2/A+Hhyuam PHJc+PyXv7txjhfNp5Obn+xFXTWU6Y79Oy9DDK+2D8hvW14jSdiHfNTGOabHrxN9//0Hmio LIeR5ggCsxdYGWFH/p6DRI3BeIX7X0QPk3+SUpJbNghHdunelDzvaeNqrGstfH+s8TDtGox eSFnpillrlKrhMJVfpdrg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:u7KNDfbSsmE=:K3wWAuTOmS9cYFMi72ObAz W9TLTQ9dKy3vL5qK96TBH6LwMZKV/zrPEfEejOfF6xZSaTSOIge/WfycjrLEf/jbulds73lH/ UoEG+EQqG5YFPjU3EqMdrW+FgEUVOJwNwyGrRyJ/VDlFG+Nu6WNbhNZWwLu34rUtMp5gOXHE3 qFH/PukvRcpgo9qOt6kBB88KcAQg2tIQdhDLYx4MHoRdYfY8rXtiCe9JbFwJj7jtlpONHtJYn W8a66gur58gpTNewyNR2sq1Fl8v1//uQW7wPJJFqM1KNOLmIgiJfEkqdaUR+j/mVPX8i1KiBx O0QeV/9hLhlB+znOyQKqhkuLPGLphHKaVEkQu4H3O5w5L/l6vfvSZjWGqZK9frEOVe5WDouC3 cIBn2R+xkiZFwbyWC91JRgAEUWjGxaCQKuaZhipKqoZpRU/d2mVk3UeXSDgsY9Ohkh9hnCosc bMVQVaAjUdto3O5TbpqhWMVdZGTPVb/NQrFW5WuUuuNZZ23W7foxDF3vx1SAWGu/cPpH+ex5X Z0P57VxM0khQn9l2pEHs2tpxwgn9e9BB035VldE5vCoP2WbbVeCAuhEqEGmFp0f9v124W0pZV O2pewbO4IiH2NzFl44MqlxtYjSMwbaOJ+w1uQtQmy7QzKICAoO4zuqedyeiG31LWMw5vDb30G Qion6ykttt4/2OksW5SWnkYLtLhkxaVKNKC7dSCQmxgkFGn4dcEJa2tVh4iQeofa8vkqwYLOq CwZ9MLiCl6puZkVONlgxTR9wNdlFqxpBOY9iwFvuDhpqhKB7QN8/WsZ6UzL9MEtH5ibUCcj+f pqgPve3 Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:26:04 -0000 Hi Jonathan,=20 > On Mar 13, 2016, at 19:17 , Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On 13 Mar, 2016, at 19:40, moeller0 wrote: >>=20 >> Please note that the classic Nokia phone is dead as a doornail as far = as popularity is concerned; that might speak against their ease of use = compared with touch screen =E2=80=9Csmart phones=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 (take = home message might simply be =E2=80=9Caim for a touch screen=E2=80=9D) >=20 > The first hit when Googling for =E2=80=9Cnokia feature phone sales = figures=E2=80=9D threw up a fairly recent article = (http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-making-more-money-sales-feature-phones-s= martphones-2154087) which states that: >=20 > 1) Microsoft (which bought Nokia=E2=80=99s phone business) made more = money from feature phones (the ones with tiny screens and physical = keypads) than from smartphones that quarter. Since the ASP of a = feature-phone is much lower than a smartphone, you can make the obvious = conclusions about how *many* sold in each category. >=20 > 2) Sales of feature phones actually *increased* over the previous = quarter, and not by a trivial factor. >=20 > Although the article then goes on to predict the complete demise of = the feature-phone segment, that conclusion does not seem to be supported = by the facts it quotes. It also mentions that feature-phones (with = certain specific design features such as large buttons) are preferred by = the elderly, even though touchscreen phones have larger screens and = thus, theoretically, more space for large fonts. >=20 > One factor you may not have considered is that feature-phones still = sell very well in the third world, mainly because they=E2=80=99re = durable, power-efficient and cheap, but their ease of use surely = doesn=E2=80=99t hurt there. >=20 > The *second* hit from that Google search is Wikipedia=E2=80=99s list = of best-selling phones. Top of the list are the venerable Nokia 1100 = and 1110, which together sold *half a billion* units over their = lifetime. The famous 3310 sold =E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D 150 million - and = I still have mine. It=E2=80=99s on its third battery, which lasts an = entire week on standby. >=20 > - Jonathan Morton >=20 I stand corrected. I am sorry that I distracted from the point I wanted = to make by a rather pointless =E2=80=9Cdrive-by=E2=80=9D insult to = feature phones. I also fondly remember my 3310, but I certainy do not = want to go back there, that week of standby be damned ;) Best Regards Sebastian=