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[37.33.67.252]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f134sm3001736lff.34.2016.03.13.08.18.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Mar 2016 08:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 17:18:46 +0200 Cc: Alan Jenkins , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9BD140AE-D0FA-47B1-8BED-DE60E603F6E5@gmail.com> References: To: David Lang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:18:53 -0000 > On 13 Mar, 2016, at 02:15, David Lang wrote: >=20 > my point is that you can use a browser interface to mock-up what you = would do on your local display without having to build custom hardware. = Yes, it would mean you have to work with javascript/etc to build this = mockup, but it would let you create a bitmap image with buttons/etc that = will work the same way that your physical device would, but be able to = tinker with things that would require hardware changes if it was a = physical device (different screen sizes, button placements, etc) And my point is that if I can do that *without* involving a browser, so = much the better. Given my existing experience, I can probably do it = *easier* in something like C and Xlib (yes, really) than in a browser. Yes, it would be a pure software mockup, and thus still easy to change. > a 6x8 font on a 2.7" screen is unreadable for many people, this is = about an 11pt font on something that is not at your optimum reading = distance. The display I linked has basically the same pixel density as a = 1980s/1990s Macintosh display, a 9-pin dot-matrix printer, and a basic = Nokia phone - the standard 72dpi. Anyone with standard visual acuity = should be able to read 8-pixel-high text on it. Your concern would be = limited to that segment of the population who already needs to buy = large-print books and newspapers. The most important text wouldn=E2=80=99t be 6x8 - I included that stat = only to contrast it with the 16x2 cell text-only display. Since it=E2=80=99= s a graphical display, we can use larger fonts where desired. Incidentally, the classic Nokia phones seem to use a proportional font = which is 5x7 on average. They sold many millions, probably because they = designed a UI that even my mother could be coached into learning = (believe me, that=E2=80=99s a feat). Up, down, select, cancel, and a = numeric keypad. The size of the text on the screen doesn=E2=80=99t seem = to have been a factor. > OLEDs do color as well. The ones that do colour are even more expensive than the mono ones. = Increasing the size of an OLED display also seems to be incredibly = expensive - I couldn=E2=80=99t even find one at 2.7=E2=80=9D or larger = on the =E2=80=9Cmaker kit=E2=80=9D sites, only as raw components. > don't forget that you also have to have buttons/switches to go along = with the display. don't assume that people are going to have a spare USB = keyboard around to plug in. >=20 > There is a substantial population who's only computers are tablets, = phones, TVs, and other non-traditional devices, but who need wifi to use = them. Keyboard, mouse, xbox/ps4/wii controller - don=E2=80=99t care. = They=E2=80=99ll either have at least one of those (basic models are = cheap), or we can auto-generate a basic working configuration and = display the resulting wifi SSID/password on the screen. The only button = needed is a factory-reset. If they don=E2=80=99t have anything with an Ethernet connection, they = would have difficulty configuring most existing routers from the = factory-reset state anyway. I just made a brief search for WPS on my = Android phone - no dice. Apparently there *is* a WPS function, but = it=E2=80=99s buried four layers deep in the UI, behind an =E2=80=9Cadvance= d=E2=80=9D option^W^W =E2=80=9Cbeware of the leopard=E2=80=9D sign - and = it=E2=80=99s potentially in a different place on each device, making it = hard to give directions remotely. But with the wifi SSID and password visible on-screen, we wouldn=E2=80=99t= need WPS. That=E2=80=99s something an ordinary router can=E2=80=99t = do. - Jonathan Morton