From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-x22e.google.com (mail-lb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 863F83B2AF; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lb0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id x1so212851359lbj.3; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 11:17:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=EwVG6/bukvqaOBXJFI0ryGhLEDBViFsVVTlU26B7+UA=; b=FPfDSTr55toM/Me8X88WcbU1SRf2BFnIApmFi/vqZc6BfJZYRHm0a/zzI/FrFzPc7F hlqFoX6MeNC7xnH+Le/s6n8H48xpUMpITpfzThT6dy9TeNkuh5SFAcFYuBJ30g2JpTju xY/W2Gc6DM4yDNh2EBXcplIR7eDkT4RAZQ4FOIvUasOTRXserKCLUT6wf+c6mdmGw/Fi 5GbqvGsSUsp3jMf64DQKx3WEUSlAFUx1OzbT3pzBGgbmMQ3At1QqSjeUqnyfUg5zz9zq 1YIxMNZl1LxpidM0DJL6szAZ7ckdtc3KpIX6QI+UEUNflCxQKPUKgOyWq1hnC/yAd1XQ B3TQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=EwVG6/bukvqaOBXJFI0ryGhLEDBViFsVVTlU26B7+UA=; b=SDmmBy+h/1kmnrswAZehOyswFU5JCiQjfO8eTZaqtHjB6XC1lw7IDOLDW58ZbNAbCF j04kYTGKWtuVpQdx4+ItnhUGvq9gIxoDxGILufPOx1wQHg4mZ+iZTUwFpToqv01c3+Uz /sROCFsD3xivoVCD/41/Yoq3Fwvdwh7ie9fEBxh7mNChGMF4WcoAY+BN8mfbPx9OZlQO S+r+z6zJr83/eeAi2mOOr+tQSE7h+Kog4qK81YEzYdynpTJf1HHa9yHL2B3iVFF99Ic6 EoKoG+/DGhH3lRHaS8LJW8st9kBd7cXf8s+nmoKe72iJQyjTO606EafgdVfmxDmrGlQD D9WA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKiQSQuvjfKifBdJ4eSEA52pSCIP9yRXfde48KFxLRoakPGNb1vwiBtxR4yuOuKyg== X-Received: by 10.25.162.7 with SMTP id l7mr6636760lfe.129.1457893026061; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 11:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (37-33-67-252.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.67.252]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm3018907lbs.37.2016.03.13.11.17.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Mar 2016 11:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 20:17:03 +0200 Cc: David Lang , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9C673B76-DBC5-4282-A03C-A273D02ACA3B@gmail.com> References: <9BD140AE-D0FA-47B1-8BED-DE60E603F6E5@gmail.com> To: moeller0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:17:07 -0000 > On 13 Mar, 2016, at 19:40, moeller0 wrote: >=20 > Please note that the classic Nokia phone is dead as a doornail as far = as popularity is concerned; that might speak against their ease of use = compared with touch screen =E2=80=9Csmart phones=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 (take = home message might simply be =E2=80=9Caim for a touch screen=E2=80=9D) The first hit when Googling for =E2=80=9Cnokia feature phone sales = figures=E2=80=9D threw up a fairly recent article = (http://www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-making-more-money-sales-feature-phones-s= martphones-2154087) which states that: 1) Microsoft (which bought Nokia=E2=80=99s phone business) made more = money from feature phones (the ones with tiny screens and physical = keypads) than from smartphones that quarter. Since the ASP of a = feature-phone is much lower than a smartphone, you can make the obvious = conclusions about how *many* sold in each category. 2) Sales of feature phones actually *increased* over the previous = quarter, and not by a trivial factor. Although the article then goes on to predict the complete demise of the = feature-phone segment, that conclusion does not seem to be supported by = the facts it quotes. It also mentions that feature-phones (with certain = specific design features such as large buttons) are preferred by the = elderly, even though touchscreen phones have larger screens and thus, = theoretically, more space for large fonts. One factor you may not have considered is that feature-phones still sell = very well in the third world, mainly because they=E2=80=99re durable, = power-efficient and cheap, but their ease of use surely doesn=E2=80=99t = hurt there. The *second* hit from that Google search is Wikipedia=E2=80=99s list of = best-selling phones. Top of the list are the venerable Nokia 1100 and = 1110, which together sold *half a billion* units over their lifetime. = The famous 3310 sold =E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D 150 million - and I still = have mine. It=E2=80=99s on its third battery, which lasts an entire = week on standby. - Jonathan Morton