From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45A7B3B260 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 12:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.17.3.79] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MXllr-1b59GG0dr5-00WlCT; Wed, 11 May 2016 18:35:55 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: <87zirwk4lw.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 18:35:52 +0200 Cc: David Lang , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <871t58n5wk.fsf@toke.dk> <87zirwk4lw.fsf@toke.dk> To: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:k0xn/WAjl6fWhBcIgI7idB/sFZef7d2ke0qHkOM2J1PuxWLSi1z ujd9v5eGsH13U/W+1wRNTTkuJNNVjjFHWqipdFBsu0YKaGqx3TOE++xGUpM0YMq6rm9ecYA Nu+oOGHjN7oo7RrCTmbgCqhgjS6uY9azPvHThXVxeI2JW5vlgBMOWAo9I0p49K5J7ELr6J0 a3D9GIxhzbEuqGGY91FsQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:hzjYkz5cpIo=:Uta+la+WOPnh9g2DlwlGd+ rVqHCp39LzOs6HHlvcwZmQglalVJCQL1rrLNWxtso+ZgkQwcgYardRArzG1hlRWJ4SvgRevB4 PNQBvdbbMQeR7vAD6I9l1ZHLZ9/MlLi2dAFRup1hFLyf1MM4HbOiuTTTH9mS0o1id1S+P4gnH re3go9Uo8fv1IAKaeY5/ixyx0HPnVy7shP/r3uWFcwVBdkA0UrxqyGUwnp14E0XlHwEEVQot0 GS1b8AchYyFZNnPsIVFJ5JCtIdIJE0MmL7l1nsZKKYYrqC2Wyi8COvEXHUC/KaTDgGj0Eo8zj GiGYCHNeQX2em9eAqftxfc5VvpVJ9ioMaFgSfQn7kw/0CiitIuUAUcJQoFr2agIuCTCSgvCZJ 3vnoHLloNeA7eUlTsmXEyW4ip9i6CgkLz1P3HuMAbM1qSn+9aD/voT0jRieFmxQLkBRDJCtvM k0I39fQ37WlvNOp3Pvpre+he4qNju0HXYdbmaqrmDr0MGy6nOvveO6OshClfhUckIK+q+HtUC thbreVvl00zQSHif15eq1LMTwFGISkOlvJn3CEeC/Q9kFg3qihg6/fcOz0XIJFuhm/Eo23NOA q+IuMRVFloraOSP6MZs80BFNMP30OvtE1N5GQyAePEXVPcu4TqBxwadEdhHU0vjv5xv6XPIPE SjGUq/NYobZsSADSOph2pPUDU7p7MFjD6eGeCL2rsQ7f0DY81sg+5KCsIQMcbRs/UzDpgulZj DZEuH1pGzV+4unn/2ZdbVqzRBJpM5Pt9NlukJotV6HMViC8V/OZriqzQdX+jyMWQSOAYohp3m pgKS2hv Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Thoughts on tackling airtime fairness X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 16:36:14 -0000 > On May 11, 2016, at 17:15 , Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >=20 > David Lang writes: >>=20 >> Take retransmissions as an example. They only happen because the >> receiver didn't see them. If you were to get an aircap off the same >> antenna as the receiver, you also wouldn't see them and therefor = could >> not account for them. In the real world, you are doing the aircap = from >> a different device, with a different antenna so what you see will be >> even more different. Now think about the normal case where you have >> two stations taking in two very different locations and one device to >> do the aircap. >>=20 >> If we don't have anything else, aircaps are what we have to fall back >> on, but we need to realize how much we can't see at that point. >=20 > Hmm, hadn't thought of that. Damn. Well, guess we'll have to trust the > driver (or make it trustworthy if we can=E2=80=99t). This issue seems surmountable, just make sure the air-capping = machine is a) located halfway between the other two hosts in question = and b) has better antennas ;) . It should be possible to =E2=80=9Cdegrade=E2= =80=9D the antenna quality of the two hosts to make sure the air-capper = (sounds like a fancy whale species) has better RF visibility=E2=80=A6 Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast