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From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: Michael Yartys <michael.yartys@protonmail.com>,
	Michael Yartys via Make-wifi-fast
	<make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Higher latency on upload under poor signal conditions
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:08:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C47324BE-1A4E-4C69-B0AB-7F896CE5DD17@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.581.1592302723.24343.make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>

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Hi Michael,


> On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:18, Michael Yartys via Make-wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Michael Yartys <michael.yartys@protonmail.com>
> Subject: Higher latency on upload under poor signal conditions
> Date: June 16, 2020 at 12:18:38 GMT+2
> To: "make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Reply-To: Michael Yartys <michael.yartys@protonmail.com>
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I decided to run some 8-stream TCP tests at the edge of the range of my WiFi network, and I noticed that I get higher latency when I run an upload compared to a download. The latency when downloading is pretty steady at right above 30 ms, and when I run the upload it hovers around 80-100 ms. I think I know why this happens, but I would like to read the opinion of the mailing list.

	My naive guess would be that air-time fairness by the AP only directly affects the AP's own transmissions, the stations will in all likelihood not have an fq_codel instance in its wifi-stack (I could be wrong, but I do not believe that the 7260ac intel card actually uses airtime fairness yet/at all). So the 80-100ms might just come from the default wifi parameters which typically are adjusted for peak thoughput instead of a balanced throughput latency under load set-point. Then again that is my _guess_, so Kruger-Dunning might apply.

Best Regards
	Sebastian


> 
> My test setup is a NETGEAR R7800 running OpenWrt with fq_codel'd WiFi and a laptop with an Intel 7260 ac wireless card. The laptop reports an average signal strength of about -77 dBm, while the router has a much harder time hearing the laptop at -98 dBm signal strength with a noise floor of -109 dBm.
> 
> I suspect this extra latency is due to buffering because the laptop has to retransmit a lot of frames due to how poorly the router hears it. Is this correct?
> 
> The associated flent files are attached.
> 
> Michael

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       reply	other threads:[~2020-06-16 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.581.1592302723.24343.make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2020-06-16 11:08 ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]
2020-06-16 11:35   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-06-16 11:50     ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-06-16 12:03       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-06-16 12:59         ` Michael Yartys
     [not found]         ` <fQ-GV16qlgI6k9RiyhVFGrDkwkMvGYE6iQTc4H6y7a4I-HXZ4ZVYRit74qPpcDg8UQQENbp7lZwinIZLyKg_hPx1EArregrBxVSUZR2XdIE=@protonmail.com>
2020-06-16 13:06           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-06-16 13:14             ` Michael Yartys
2020-06-16 14:32               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-06-30 18:22                 ` Michael Yartys
2020-07-01 11:41                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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