From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ua1-x931.google.com (mail-ua1-x931.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::931]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C6953B2A4 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ua1-x931.google.com with SMTP id a10so6088411uad.7 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:35:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SHEaE+kDDmaY50ZvcoqxJiy0Zpm8VYhFN6qwL0d0pP8=; b=VMBibAOt3uum6vWpI7EqHxieFx43HCrQJlaTfta4m95j5bXux8psz6qFz+XfgoIPaT dXVIEoHW4XCo8iCu4lz4SMe/2Nqa5PvElGy7K9b3tgJviOarN2MgEgccGBwZDXU1gfKw IO29pjWlZjDYr32pVu7yfIOYyietNXk3sR9s+txiM5nQfzqQIwrBVTPPEvkh3h5YXt3J ycYfvu7d+EZCa2k5d+2lTRmnfXqDsxxilRz+ZOkuQXN5/yFtohpo5zDwmrHIc69pZeT0 pBfhZAi3g+wFpbOmpy30w9jCV+neY4njkHuzU1OuHsfuqu6Q9QpVfOlDYjBgwF8BNkra ogXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SHEaE+kDDmaY50ZvcoqxJiy0Zpm8VYhFN6qwL0d0pP8=; b=Osk7ys+NoB/cTI4EJB/VHjmAhKuztMJ6HLKl2Px94DEeGthCzE91nnOQDXGybOnp/R 0E5Nu8wpwKJDZd5ph4iCyMHFDV0t6tTbjs7l0vZZMSPkF3ATjglnGmx3y8LoHgBKUn4T SPt7ewzE6nliA0YJ09klz7IM383SslegEjqEjzMsdVM5DfPTsOjW5LvI7mZX2X2BpwG+ 0zFNXCKj2saz0k85Wdcmctc5BxkdcK+NuXBrzHRwqEZPfsK8BVxShUgtaT1fiG4M5K4M YvyZuvPTZNB/RoN8qBjm2g0x97xSCegTnwEoCsIWIqqQvFD8uK4mG3yg7uAkSH7FmAr5 ewpA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZlzzn/lF4PtBwyZpFvyfSUi+bOeQqn2Y2Bpq2JuXXkuAtFJNu7 k2lW3J0LlUf9j+ZJPc9+QxNKnAgc3JgoTkusujVaZVbA X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIckhq2Te3yTDq2AnXJJFO7l7ByGMS8Xai7cKCYU2DPnbdYQlIcWhjuW+mEpBGu4yiEQ+zm/hXzOcSlGJ3h64Y= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:2e84:: with SMTP id f4mr3685858uaa.121.1587656117938; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:35:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Isaac Konikoff Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:35:06 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Harshal Chhaya , Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ef6d8805a3f6fe38" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 15:35:18 -0000 --000000000000ef6d8805a3f6fe38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It does seem a bit intrusive, however in the context of working with existing users of the spectrum, AFC seems to make sense. This WLPC video is a good intro: https://youtu.be/knFsQAoIw1I At 26:38 is a description of the coordination process and 52:32 an intro to AFC. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:05 AM Dave Taht wrote: > sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy comments to make. > (The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed. > you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location? > DFS style autodetection seems saner) > > And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya wrote: > > > > FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at > https://www.fcc.gov/general/live > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to > > > report their location to a centralized FCC database > > > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm... > > > > > > more: > > > > > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from > > > here: > https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0) > > > > > > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly > > > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow. > > > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't ask > > > me how long that takes. > > > > > > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see III > > > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents. > > > > > > III. Report and Order: > > > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands > > > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band > > > IV. Further Proposed: > > > A. Very Low Power Operation > > > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations > > > > > > > > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht wrote= : > > > > > > > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of > > > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft > > > > rules... > > > > > > > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active > > > > ongoing registration into some FCC database. > > > > > > > > > https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-f= or-6-ghz-unlicensed > > > > > > > > =E2=80=9CWe=E2=80=99re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,=E2= =80=9D he told Fierce. > > > > =E2=80=9CImagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that=E2=80=99s somet= hing Wi-Fi 6E and > 6 > > > > GHz can accomplish,=E2=80=9D as well as produce latency on the orde= r of 2 > > > > milliseconds or less, which is why it=E2=80=99s so attractive for t= hings like > > > > AR/VR." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Make Music, Not War > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > http://www.teklibre.com > > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Make Music, Not War > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > > http://www.teklibre.com > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > > -- > Make Music, Not War > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --000000000000ef6d8805a3f6fe38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It does seem a bit intrusive, however in the context = of working with existing users of the spectrum, AFC seems to make sense.
This WLPC video is a good intro: https://youtu.be/knFsQAoIw1I
At 26:38 is a descript= ion of the coordination process and 52:32 an intro to AFC.
<= br>
On Thu,= Apr 23, 2020 at 8:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy = comments to make.
(The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed.
you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location?
DFS style autodetection seems saner)

And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya <harshal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at https://www.= fcc.gov/general/live
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to=
> > report their location to a centralized FCC database
> > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...
> >
> > more:
> >
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attach= ments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from
> > here:=C2=A0 https://www.= fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)
> >
> > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly > > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorro= w.
> > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don&#= 39;t ask
> > me how long that takes.
> >
> > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see = III
> > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.
> >
> > III. Report and Order:
> > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands
> > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band
> > IV. Further Proposed:
> > A. Very Low Power Operation
> > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations<= br> > >
> >
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attach= ments/DOC-363490A1.pdf
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > >
> > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source make= r of
> > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found th= e draft
> > > rules...
> > >
> > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and = active
> > > ongoing registration into some FCC database.
> > >
> > > https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-mot= ion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
> > >
> > > =E2=80=9CWe=E2=80=99re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can = do,=E2=80=9D he told Fierce.
> > > =E2=80=9CImagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that=E2=80=99= s something Wi-Fi 6E and 6
> > > GHz can accomplish,=E2=80=9D as well as produce latency on t= he order of 2
> > > milliseconds or less, which is why it=E2=80=99s so attractiv= e for things like
> > > AR/VR."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Make Music, Not War
> > >
> > > Dave T=C3=A4ht
> > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Make Music, Not War
> >
> > Dave T=C3=A4ht
> > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > http://www.teklibre.com
> > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > _______________________________________________
> > Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinf= o/make-wifi-fast



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