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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	 "codel@lists.bufferbloat.net" <codel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fq_codel_drop vs a udp flood
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 22:23:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw46O3CbURxyP7AENkOCnA71Bn6ddTJpdfzEjWcFKgnaAg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57258F41.8040600@candelatech.com>

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 04/30/2016 08:41 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
>>
>> There were a few things on this thread that went by, and I wasn't on
>> the ath10k list
>>
>> (https://www.mail-archive.com/ath10k@lists.infradead.org/msg04461.html)
>>
>> first up, udp flood...
>>
>>>>> From: ath10k <ath10k-boun...@lists.infradead.org> on behalf of Roman
>>>>> Yeryomin <leroi.li...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 8:14 PM
>>>>> To: ath10k@lists.infradead.org
>>>>> Subject: ath10k performance, master branch from 20160407
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen performance patches were commited so I've decided to give it
>>>>> a try (using 4.1 kernel and backports).
>>>>> The results are quite disappointing: TCP download (client pov) dropped
>>>>> from 750Mbps to ~550 and UDP shows completely weird behavour - if
>>>>> generating 900Mbps it gives 30Mbps max, if generating 300Mbps it gives
>>>>> 250Mbps, before (latest official backports release from January) I was
>>>>> able to get 900Mbps.
>>>>> Hardware is basically ap152 + qca988x 3x3.
>>>>> When running perf top I see that fq_codel_drop eats a lot of cpu.
>>>>> Here is the output when running iperf3 UDP test:
>>>>>
>>>>>      45.78%  [kernel]       [k] fq_codel_drop
>>>>>       3.05%  [kernel]       [k] ag71xx_poll
>>>>>       2.18%  [kernel]       [k] skb_release_data
>>>>>       2.01%  [kernel]       [k] r4k_dma_cache_inv
>>
>>
>> The udp flood behavior is not "weird".  The test is wrong. It is so
>> filling
>> the local queue as to dramatically exceed the bandwidth on the link.
>
>
> It would be nice if you could provide backpressure so that you could
> simply select on the udp socket and use that to know when you can send
> more frames??

The qdisc version returns  NET_XMIT_CN to the upper layers of the
stack in the case
where the dropped packet's flow = the ingress packet's flow, but that
is after the
exhaustive search...

I don't know what effect (if any) that had on udp sockets. Hmm... will
look. Eric would "just know".

That might provide more backpressure in the local scenario. SO_SND_BUF
should interact with this stuff in some sane way...

... but over the wire from a test driver box elsewhere, tho, aside
from ethernet flow control itself, where enabled, no.

... but in that case you have a much lower inbound/outbound
performance disparity in the general case to start with... which can
still be quite high...

>
> Any idea how that works with codel?

Beautifully.

For responsive TCP flows. It immediately reduces the window without a RTT.

> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> --
> Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
> Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com



-- 
Dave Täht
Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software!
http://blog.cerowrt.org

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-01  5:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-01  3:41 Dave Taht
2016-05-01  4:46 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-01  5:08 ` Ben Greear
2016-05-01  5:23   ` Dave Taht [this message]
2016-05-01 14:47     ` dpreed
     [not found]       ` <CAJq5cE2woA3yb6i_7NLPpxjzvhsVk5uL8BnSTAY7Lp-M0KiPNg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CAJq5cE2K0yrz6ALAoKWu23RSJZX9Y_P7Mqcy9ba8e-L3AVhOaA@mail.gmail.com>
2016-05-01 15:51           ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-02 14:03       ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-02 18:40         ` Dave Taht
2016-05-02 20:17           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Codel] " Isaac Konikoff
2016-05-05 13:55           ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-05 14:55             ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-02 19:47         ` David Lang
2016-05-01 17:59 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Codel] " Eric Dumazet
2016-05-01 18:20   ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-01 18:46     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-01 19:55       ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-02  7:47         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-05-01 20:35       ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-01 20:55         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-02 14:18           ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-02 15:07             ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-02 15:43               ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-02 16:14                 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-02 17:08                   ` Dave Taht
2016-05-02 17:44                     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-05 14:32                     ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-05 14:53                   ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-05 15:32                     ` Dave Taht
2016-05-05 16:07                       ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-05 16:59                         ` Jonathan Morton
2016-05-05 17:39                           ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-05 18:16                             ` Dave Taht
2016-05-05 18:33                           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-05 16:12                     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-05 16:25                       ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-05 16:42                         ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-06 10:55                           ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-05 19:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-05 19:41                           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-06  8:41                             ` moeller0
2016-05-06 11:33                               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-05-06 11:46                                 ` moeller0
2016-05-06 13:25                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-06 15:25                                     ` moeller0
2016-05-06 15:58                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-06 16:30                                         ` moeller0
2016-05-06  9:42                           ` [Make-wifi-fast] OpenWRT wrong adjustment of fq_codel defaults (Was: [Codel] fq_codel_drop vs a udp flood) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-05-06 12:47                             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-05-06 18:43                               ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-06 18:56                                 ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-06 19:43                                   ` Dave Taht
2016-05-15 22:34                                     ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-15 23:07                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-15 23:27                                         ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-16  8:12                                       ` David Lang
2016-05-16  8:26                                         ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-16  8:46                                           ` David Lang
2016-05-16 10:34                                             ` [Make-wifi-fast] [OpenWrt-Devel] " Sebastian Moeller
2016-05-16  8:14                                       ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-16 14:23                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-16 16:04                                         ` Dave Taht
2016-05-16 19:46                                           ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-07  9:57                             ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
2016-05-15 22:47                               ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-03  2:26     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Codel] fq_codel_drop vs a udp flood Dave Taht
2016-05-03  5:21       ` Dave Taht
2016-05-03 12:39         ` Agarwal, Anil
2016-05-03 12:50           ` Agarwal, Anil
2016-05-03 13:35             ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-03 15:37               ` Agarwal, Anil
2016-05-03 17:37               ` Dave Taht
2016-05-03 17:54                 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-03 18:11                   ` Dave Taht
2016-05-01 18:26   ` Dave Taht
2016-05-01 22:30     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-02 14:09   ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-02 15:04     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-05-02 15:42       ` Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-02 13:47 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Roman Yeryomin
2016-05-02 15:01   ` Eric Dumazet

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