From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x229.google.com (mail-qt0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF3CE3BA8E for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 03:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt0-x229.google.com with SMTP id r39so7665563qtr.13 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:04:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JB+UjJw8oHdICTh4pIzYc7Fv8BKKbpauILc2pb/ILEM=; b=MciWhqEiPYzBktVHO8/pvNsWXABeeY3miuAfH8ZywalkSj5VaLpM894jNi8n1iuUbj hPLtschHhA/QKJyREE0uRhRUhFm6ERvmaPMJSPfoHqr/E9WEkXteJLd8npB1izmaVtZv oi9iO8X+ocPQtXrA+0StDJAb9th+qNQZL3OeWZRR2jMed4R6uRbrOYif9R7+sZVtpdue f1pJ4vlNGru00euNhi1Mkh+ZQ+IAFjvaxz1ehMeSElvCrSVdexVmkth0JMk8CZpHWdd+ 3AYK5olE9GJ7L8XoqoT5n8hpkEav8Gggh8GgeyzJO7TOejGdJ2L7DEVu5dJFNlkXzLwT VBkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JB+UjJw8oHdICTh4pIzYc7Fv8BKKbpauILc2pb/ILEM=; b=RGSQekbpek1S+1JGwZITEHbOl/+iScEEMdxoekykmQ1XIZD0by9yCb6AVaBE682LTt dP3cOP2U2AjTmoDAxqnsIMp3P2/wRu3Zpqt1PYTtFfdUsuMaqV3tBthiyY6rib0aeRDY k3huVzbzBWKjZ5Dclz1KDVdJM8VU8Q8uDV08hIdhfLExl4oL/YvGuSqRzCbfXh4mcdEe uAAE0Jru7qEG1jZ7Mzdc1scjxPC8jq7yxxK//LGmBFG34e4BSHrcUxCwBAb+fJi4iFkg W5zNgf/z6yTwlP8pyNEnx4iGH0/xOgMPSy3V5CzLFYJyMmZwK68y1Ak3Nmx7Lr3XZ4+K 00cA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIZ5AJ0A0ZCArqQmdarYdzFhfUC1oCiSuo880nTFJ4s2Bps15Ie CubE6iCPFgfO5pMvfoekKpZC79NIpan82thMsS4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYrF/axuEcBwHzvolnfGwf8MADLQnlTl9RoZOHJhtj/ZISiS101QSVNrdj9+ulcAT3R/Najmuz1+hHoeoyxA90= X-Received: by 10.200.46.50 with SMTP id r47mr2249012qta.314.1512029086422; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:04:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.193.93 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:04:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87lgionrl5.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87lgionrl5.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:04:45 -0800 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Fwd: Re: [iccrg] TCP behavior across WiFi pointers ? X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 08:04:46 -0000 wow. *median* of 7 interfering APs at 2.4ghz. 10% with more than 29 interfe= rers. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > The folks over at Meraki had a paper at this year's IMC talking about > TCP over WiFi. > > -Toke > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Simon Barber > To: Aaron Falk > Cc: Toerless Eckert , iccrg@irtf.org, tsv-area@ietf.o= rg, Michael Welzl , Mark Allman > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:41:04 -0800 > Subject: Re: [iccrg] TCP behavior across WiFi pointers ? > We=E2=80=99ve been doing some studies and work in this area at Meraki. > > https://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2017/papers/imc17-final203.pdf > > Simon > > > On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:17 AM, Aaron Falk wrote: > > Hey Mark- > > Didn't you do some work on TCP over wifi a while ago? > > --aaron > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:33 PM Michael Welzl wrote: >> >> I would think that 1) there are probably pointers, and 2) the people who= have them should be on the ICCRG list, which I=E2=80=99m cc=E2=80=99ing. >> >> I suggest for this to be the last email that includes tsvarea so that th= e thread entirely moves to ICCRG. >> >> >> > On Nov 8, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote= : >> > >> > Any pointers to work analyzing the differences in behavior when TCP is= run >> > across WiFi as opposed to wired ? Especially with WiFi in the home ? >> > >> > I am primarily thinking that there could be a higher demand for >> > TCP (end-to-end) retransmissions when using WiFi because the L2/WiFi >> > local retransmissions are insufficient. And if so, what the characteri= stics >> > of those end-to-end retransmissions is (would assume they would be lar= ger >> > than N msec, where N is whatever the L2/wifi protection window is, whi= ch >> > unfortunately i don't know). >> > >> > Asking because we've got the poor "must-sit-in-back-of-the-bus" traffi= c >> > called IP multicast that is not protected by L2/wifi retransmissions a= t >> > all and now we're wondering if carrying it over TCP as a workaround >> > could help, and therefore trying to educate myself on specific known >> > issue left when running traffic over TCP over WiFi. >> > >> > If any other TSV or other WG mailing list might be a better place to >> > ask. pls. let me know. >> > >> > Thank! >> > Toerless >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > iccrg mailing list > iccrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/iccrg > > > > _______________________________________________ > iccrg mailing list > iccrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/iccrg > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619