From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x236.google.com (mail-oi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B94353B308 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id p188so105821080oih.2 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 10:13:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=quOBVumDxbD2kqBtMLv9qjGExMZ53TJ7oAh+uhKivXw=; b=RWs6ZL+DVuzRcLbN0Bg4FIGjDaljR0uCuz9M0PGIKDaAI6EsrUV9YerwWLF1fGyCwp 9wnXv4t19RkGVLdUSq4LRhoIqtwdvbFBbNYZP/U+1w3VPyDRgyeqQf8pkLEW23EV18BC T1ULfn5a9lXItRSfM7n6+Tm++tJkeB0eKuNsD1zsCW9tdKHxyRE6pC5bpVaQr0U6xm/L 6AmrrE/ahv3i7jVjftbsWxgbt16CjkFFK0WNrt1yHmnB/EH1rLzvg8ekBfqjHJcR36WI z1Xm3Gc67YnqP+/1iISjcSZvSMHoPLrrkHNYPCzk62SKY4D2oMKWQbIDiQI4ZPMOJnlD JcYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=quOBVumDxbD2kqBtMLv9qjGExMZ53TJ7oAh+uhKivXw=; b=dBZQ5mjEwlSzXb9x2r1RrXH8NjQPmTv1ECUksOTtUll4mSaa0WBTNGssk94hBSUdOa 2NyUr+mMtYZGy1a3lGOICwVe0yItiT8qaTAfGcNWtBLKz9ZjzU60iXRFW5CbOd1ipGf+ cG/aKzf9U7JhCXAA7ksfKLJRE9r6zy0FECy00M+D0KBE3xgb4Ym8STFl3T/cphI0lk/1 fhTq2tetucYyjosz6xriyYTC3fFJAuHE7cKfYeqnweMk5+0p5BL3c2ics7inI1/Y95FH JOrsS5jkOEvIhRGp70MgDaxDKs9jeTRMzq4/H1JeeQw7h7aiO2l+rCLEzZInCPhlfA1c cCNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWsuwvaBhL8cDwEv1Y2fyo4Mmfwt4Y5pWPe5PIsPdNq94Qx+e6F5qBChIG+xnlDcNgfCYGgvJaKZNRV9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.144.102 with SMTP id sl6mr6603726obb.25.1461258795127; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 10:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.79.194 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2016 10:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 10:13:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, Henning Rogge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] the hidden station problem X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 17:13:15 -0000 I was watching myself do then make-wifi-fast Q&A and henning mentioned the hidden station problem and it's interaction with minstrel... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRb-UnHDw02o Since we are doing up some better testbeds, I am curious as to what might be a good (simplified) setup (bench or air) for it, and/or if there has been a paper that shows the interaction problems with minstrel in particular. --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org