From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45BEA3CB35 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2021 10:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id z206so1174163iof.0 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fvP4hSWRWpYYvQ4P4gQJklDY76k7ojBJg5P+iNKLka8=; b=IrTA5ykE24U9WW1lu5G3oBassA5F5GIv5WDPV/TRD8sMpnObHryW08tA85lMb99Dzs qJbtSprZMz8ilWOZ8kkaz42yM3k3bMIF9njv54N95Rz13FSh1zP6IWHdvovYPKLgcW4/ 203lk6cmS7H7K4DTZ5/Z8mNNqc9sTuH0khRNsGlA6bvuXyt6X6EEXkvfUmhsat2QyNOc 9KBRdjAJehkAUTMrNvL+yxdbAQ4fqra9q483B66ayLRBTAfB1XgzCSM4lWNzlvFoPiwn eHTro7Lnrl2iJz0Irh7/O1xKe2Lq1c6cNVCpaGMJnK7KuL77phLQAwQaRczDEQbRGWBx 4/UQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fvP4hSWRWpYYvQ4P4gQJklDY76k7ojBJg5P+iNKLka8=; b=A0D6UtI08hfu5pzDvdV1+Wz3tGqMJWIUbgVxlbwznA2WKrKrnkS1SUgpKtYA4990nH aUxbkab92QUYFSi5Ap2X9P7aa6FGGvfpgYgratwk+5h+0GpbrlVEvaxW1phdGIqP/NV+ muvnR2sQ8hSGKGXLK74lkLCTVn/oJt73uuVuF13C1yAKai5w8lGrmsxydodnQhWMMWZI l7w1mKwo16WIU9fJgT8/3G7f67/fSEF5XWTyjxsoNqwpnAxo+hIPbvU26Pq2yF/DMOrb gPeEh48nMYLsoo+Smp9wUn26xit5L1UMkJRvPt0rwYe1YT8mlyd+VSAP80sjcw64Erdm udrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531yWH3RiVh4LS8jVnzD3/kpNYNbLgWaoMu1SQYI/qLPkNfQ0SOW +ynyPyL7DD6OYZjWKQW7Ha7dFlhT2cuL66g4+wTfmojk89o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzkpVNlZuBtizFdMtRMXgLsHIP/+ta/cwrvjQn766JKqeqqsujJgGeenhadYaIPeDejMvjwG683uQ03sDIVS3Y= X-Received: by 2002:a02:b104:: with SMTP id r4mr10588736jah.128.1635863248286; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 07:27:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 07:27:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] is there a rigorous definition of airtime fairness X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:27:29 -0000 the first definition on googlenot very good, aside from that other definitions seem to be accurate. Even the page that links to is not bad, either, it's just the first summary https://routerguide.net/airtime-fairness-on-or-off/ https://www.quora.com/What-is-Air-Time-Fairness-in-WLAN-802-11 was good On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:19 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > googling for it today, there seems to be some marketing confusion > around it (go googling), involving wmm in particular. > > What *we* meant from it was that airtime fairness translated to > proportional fairness, as per > > https://www.hamilton.ie/net/single-hop-propfair.pdf > > did the market change on us? > > > > -- > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC