From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x22a.google.com (mail-ob0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7498421F451; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbbh8 with SMTP id bh8so93196458obb.0; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:15:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RxvVZzl2TQkeJU6rQmrryJChV7X2vBt2ITjrlCEljL4=; b=KdhpiZ5Fx0CJ9TCu6ms2j6tgB5vfF9bgvnZ+a5nezNf+hwHGIH59EocYG8qDX9zLSk PJcEsbrHHoz9kn8AfdBykFIHUs94oll+0AELMlM25889IaVKxilxegQz1HpYJEDwQCpV lEPYQdyMh9uyBZ2SswYa3dCZWOvfJ2UDMOFUg7ch99RN92KQOTKyUjuKbq8co/4T4o3T Y3q8ntz2JiAFeqY6KOxjWe4MqXzXXW790jR8nqggnNf7Jp9NacuZpmdLPE+JWL29dO/t AzOn8Oo02kvyyeQeJ/TzFAvD6pbrtQfCC4cPG316FGlJZjI3+GrQ/CSJBpEJxSueiqIS Q/9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.33.73 with SMTP id p9mr7672081obi.73.1442164532241; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.50.135 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:15:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <73873DE9-F18E-4E2D-8A35-5D79610EF101@gmx.de> References: <73873DE9-F18E-4E2D-8A35-5D79610EF101@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 10:15:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Sebastian Moeller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] this was a pretty comprehensive guide to how the 5.x spectrum is actually used X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:15:55 -0000 On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote= : > Hi Dave, > > On Sep 12, 2015, at 15:52 , Dave Taht wrote: > >> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=3D7022123531 >> >> starting at section 2.82 around page 27. >> >> based on this, I am inclined to drop the "just fix the weather radars" >> idea from the fcc comment letter. But a bit more thought and analysis >> is needed, as to what infringes on th existing bands or not.... >> >> This one talked about DFS compliance. >> >> http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/ECCREP192.PDF > > This is pretty rotten, instead of simply harmonizing the regulati= ons world wide, they obviously went for requiring DRM and country codes. As= if DVD Blue Ray had not amply proven that that does not work. It would be = arguably a better solution to exempt devices from these draconian regulatio= ns that simply left the disputed frequencies alone (say by a hardware filte= r so can only be overridden by soldering). The whole thing is pretty funny = when it pretends the solution would be to either impose country regulatory = requirements by IP-geolocation or GPS (*). As if both methods were anything= close to tamper proof. Not that it matters much I would simply go with hea= vy fines for people (purposefully) using devices outside of the regulation = permitted parameters. In the end the proposed schemes also need a enforceme= nt department and fines to back it up, so why do all the pseudo-technical D= RM-done-wrong stuff beforehand=E2=80=A6 (Especially puzzling why DRM since = the radar interference sources seem to allow =E2=80=9Ctriangulating=E2=80= =9D the source close enough to send in the RF-compliance monitoring vans) As deeply as I/we care about this stuff... I'd intended the last week and this one to be a vacation before starting work in berlin on make-wifi-fast. Since the deadline is still a ways off, can I encourage y'all to work on the document directly, adding content such as this? I'd booked a studio this week to lay down some tracks and resuscitate my right brain. This track had a few good ideas from the cellist in it, but fell apart, and needs to get completely reworked starting with a drum track, and most of the middle lyrics are going to get deleted in favor of improvisation. http://snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net/~d/rhysling_new.mp3 And - unless I want to fuel the anger - reading email right now isn't helpi= ng. > > (*) on the other hand a mandatory GPS receiver in each wlan router should= finally settle the getting the correct time in devices without a RTC ;) > >> >> -- >> Dave T=C3=A4ht >> endo is a terrible disease: http://www.gofundme.com/SummerVsEndo >> _______________________________________________ >> Cerowrt-devel mailing list >> Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht endo is a terrible disease: http://www.gofundme.com/SummerVsEndo