[Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[Dave Taht]

I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of
outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft
rules...

It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active
ongoing registration into some FCC database.

https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed

“We’re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,” he told Fierce.
“Imagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that’s something Wi-Fi 6E and 6
GHz can accomplish,” as well as produce latency on the order of 2
milliseconds or less, which is why it’s so attractive for things like
AR/VR."



-- 
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Dave Täht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729

Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[Dave Taht]

H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to
report their location to a centralized FCC database
via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...

more:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from
here:  https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)

Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly
between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow.
Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't ask
me how long that takes.

For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see III
A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.

III. Report and Order:
A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands
B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band
IV. Further Proposed:
A. Very Low Power Operation
B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations


https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of
> outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft
> rules...
>
> It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active
> ongoing registration into some FCC database.
>
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
>
> “We’re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,” he told Fierce.
> “Imagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that’s something Wi-Fi 6E and 6
> GHz can accomplish,” as well as produce latency on the order of 2
> milliseconds or less, which is why it’s so attractive for things like
> AR/VR."
>
>
>
> --
> Make Music, Not War
>
> Dave Täht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-435-0729



-- 
Make Music, Not War

Dave Täht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729

Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[Harshal Chhaya]

FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at https://www.fcc.gov/general/live

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to
> report their location to a centralized FCC database
> via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...
>
> more:
>
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from
> here:  https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)
>
> Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly
> between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow.
> Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't ask
> me how long that takes.
>
> For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see III
> A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.
>
> III. Report and Order:
> A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands
> B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band
> IV. Further Proposed:
> A. Very Low Power Operation
> B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations
>
>
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of
> > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft
> > rules...
> >
> > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active
> > ongoing registration into some FCC database.
> >
> > https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
> >
> > “We’re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,” he told Fierce.
> > “Imagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that’s something Wi-Fi 6E and 6
> > GHz can accomplish,” as well as produce latency on the order of 2
> > milliseconds or less, which is why it’s so attractive for things like
> > AR/VR."
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Make Music, Not War
> >
> > Dave Täht
> > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > http://www.teklibre.com
> > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
>
>
>
> --
> Make Music, Not War
>
> Dave Täht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> _______________________________________________
> Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast

Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[Dave Taht]

sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy comments to make.
(The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed.
you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location?
DFS style autodetection seems saner)

And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya <harshal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at https://www.fcc.gov/general/live
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to
> > report their location to a centralized FCC database
> > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...
> >
> > more:
> >
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from
> > here:  https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)
> >
> > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly
> > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow.
> > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't ask
> > me how long that takes.
> >
> > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see III
> > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.
> >
> > III. Report and Order:
> > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands
> > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band
> > IV. Further Proposed:
> > A. Very Low Power Operation
> > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations
> >
> >
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of
> > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft
> > > rules...
> > >
> > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active
> > > ongoing registration into some FCC database.
> > >
> > > https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
> > >
> > > “We’re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,” he told Fierce.
> > > “Imagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that’s something Wi-Fi 6E and 6
> > > GHz can accomplish,” as well as produce latency on the order of 2
> > > milliseconds or less, which is why it’s so attractive for things like
> > > AR/VR."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Make Music, Not War
> > >
> > > Dave Täht
> > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Make Music, Not War
> >
> > Dave Täht
> > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > http://www.teklibre.com
> > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > _______________________________________________
> > Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast



-- 
Make Music, Not War

Dave Täht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729

Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[Isaac Konikoff]

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It does seem a bit intrusive, however in the context of working with
existing users of the spectrum, AFC seems to make sense.
This WLPC video is a good intro: https://youtu.be/knFsQAoIw1I
At 26:38 is a description of the coordination process and 52:32 an intro to
AFC.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy comments to make.
> (The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed.
> you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location?
> DFS style autodetection seems saner)
>
> And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya <harshal@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at
> https://www.fcc.gov/general/live
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to
> > > report their location to a centralized FCC database
> > > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...
> > >
> > > more:
> > >
> > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from
> > > here:
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)
> > >
> > > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly
> > > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow.
> > > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't ask
> > > me how long that takes.
> > >
> > > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see III
> > > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.
> > >
> > > III. Report and Order:
> > > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands
> > > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band
> > > IV. Further Proposed:
> > > A. Very Low Power Operation
> > > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations
> > >
> > >
> > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of
> > > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft
> > > > rules...
> > > >
> > > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active
> > > > ongoing registration into some FCC database.
> > > >
> > > >
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
> > > >
> > > > “We’re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,” he told Fierce.
> > > > “Imagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that’s something Wi-Fi 6E and
> 6
> > > > GHz can accomplish,” as well as produce latency on the order of 2
> > > > milliseconds or less, which is why it’s so attractive for things like
> > > > AR/VR."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Make Music, Not War
> > > >
> > > > Dave Täht
> > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Make Music, Not War
> > >
> > > Dave Täht
> > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast
>
>
>
> --
> Make Music, Not War
>
> Dave Täht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> _______________________________________________
> Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast

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Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[Dave Taht]

it was pretty neat to catch the orbital debris talk! But I guess I
missed the 6ghz preso?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy comments to make.
> (The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed.
> you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location?
> DFS style autodetection seems saner)
>
> And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya <harshal@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at https://www.fcc.gov/general/live
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to
> > > report their location to a centralized FCC database
> > > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...
> > >
> > > more:
> > >
> > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from
> > > here:  https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)
> > >
> > > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly
> > > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow.
> > > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't ask
> > > me how long that takes.
> > >
> > > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see III
> > > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.
> > >
> > > III. Report and Order:
> > > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands
> > > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band
> > > IV. Further Proposed:
> > > A. Very Low Power Operation
> > > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations
> > >
> > >
> > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of
> > > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft
> > > > rules...
> > > >
> > > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active
> > > > ongoing registration into some FCC database.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
> > > >
> > > > “We’re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,” he told Fierce.
> > > > “Imagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that’s something Wi-Fi 6E and 6
> > > > GHz can accomplish,” as well as produce latency on the order of 2
> > > > milliseconds or less, which is why it’s so attractive for things like
> > > > AR/VR."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Make Music, Not War
> > > >
> > > > Dave Täht
> > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Make Music, Not War
> > >
> > > Dave Täht
> > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast
>
>
>
> --
> Make Music, Not War
>
> Dave Täht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-435-0729



-- 
Make Music, Not War

Dave Täht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729

Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday

[James Lepp]

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The final version from the FCC vote is available here:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/6-ghz-unlicensed-rofnprm  Appendix A is the
actual rules.

I understand some last minute changes were made between Apr 2 draft and
this Apr 24 final version - so don't build and certify any hardware based
on last week's link :).

-James

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> it was pretty neat to catch the orbital debris talk! But I guess I
> missed the 6ghz preso?
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy comments to make.
> > (The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed.
> > you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location?
> > DFS style autodetection seems saner)
> >
> > And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya <harshal@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at
> https://www.fcc.gov/general/live
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to
> > > > report their location to a centralized FCC database
> > > > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...
> > > >
> > > > more:
> > > >
> > > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked
> from
> > > > here:
> https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)
> > > >
> > > > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly
> > > > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow.
> > > > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't ask
> > > > me how long that takes.
> > > >
> > > > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see III
> > > > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.
> > > >
> > > > III. Report and Order:
> > > > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands
> > > > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band
> > > > IV. Further Proposed:
> > > > A. Very Low Power Operation
> > > > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of
> > > > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft
> > > > > rules...
> > > > >
> > > > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and active
> > > > > ongoing registration into some FCC database.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
> > > > >
> > > > > “We’re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,” he told Fierce.
> > > > > “Imagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that’s something Wi-Fi 6E
> and 6
> > > > > GHz can accomplish,” as well as produce latency on the order of 2
> > > > > milliseconds or less, which is why it’s so attractive for things
> like
> > > > > AR/VR."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Make Music, Not War
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave Täht
> > > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Make Music, Not War
> > > >
> > > > Dave Täht
> > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> > > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Make Music, Not War
> >
> > Dave Täht
> > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > http://www.teklibre.com
> > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
>
>
>
> --
> Make Music, Not War
>
> Dave Täht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> _______________________________________________
> Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast

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