From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi0-x22f.google.com (mail-oi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E73C3B2C1 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 21:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id p188so52120015oih.2 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C0Qm4Wnyv/BSRDe5zZKyqjeGjsxqgicg6jo708Yi7/E=; b=YlQm6VKhqUu99IhtiR2bqtUIlxDBNtzwyAvXk+lWsVtxFuk5ILmdwQW6egJy8YcNMn pnnX/eGmwSW7cZT38coFfty0vRUjwCTClMHsiaP5Q33uCo+T42NcOANbzZ0Wp3EiUkKQ gWMIx0KfKqqg7x85MkuJjQnAO0ODEEolLXUMLgKv2jgolWaHDzT52r96ccK2b81tXkfq bbN6j1u1K2GfF8wePo1dP8EcQwyIPCwDMpOXVU7noeMFVBjkjOI/K4Pr+SjMS33UqgGK 0sIlbladzsWrWRQOkme56eMeVGZD0wAfcKWrzqG19pVkaaY+rAC3DQTozDJlusPq9126 I28g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C0Qm4Wnyv/BSRDe5zZKyqjeGjsxqgicg6jo708Yi7/E=; b=GbUoooAJhbK4LZVQX13Pntc4RNH2aWi5g0pSbxdlbg1yBTwPdeu1E9tIV89jrSgVRt 2pPo3GRAxPkqi4AcktbUvNfGwjVGpNCERsKoCtll+HHFaDhgg9Ea+DWTbP270W4C6A3z WxxH2ZyXyWon9SCMN8PWgzPbd68O9snMeZJCTydtKNCmOfqeoBZlra//aVC1s3kFmCuE u4oLApJQ7GL9S2DgLvU/EMr3QYVN2a58qtPEb7/pbVICdxu1MX0fc0g7eSoimncVgBux fLlrGfsgfUfqf6TpSE28a+44Vlg/ATC1QpDSsu4jJ/RcyBwAJ0dTEOow310FcsdUZDo4 nqUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKXc5wxrS6rSym28v3BkfMZNhdZYWuCBAP7ZqNYB+6QxUPIXNOYwikdTehffdr3hZdE1c3C9EKXsEq/uw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.157.5.106 with SMTP id 97mr2852123otw.127.1459472720793; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.168.129 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1459376200.475225876@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1459376200.475225876@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: David Reed Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, Andrew McGregor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] thoughts on rate control optimizations for less than perfection? X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 01:05:21 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 3:16 PM, wrote: > Nice piece. THX! What I needed to do was start writing more things down, after having total writers block with trying an "academic voice". As my natural m=C3=A9tier is code, email, and rants^H^H^H^Hblogs, I figure getting a rough draft out in my natural voice, with logbook data to back it up, would be better (and somewhat more entertaining) than what I've been doing. Can always rewrite later. I could (now that it's out of my system) cut that entire first set of paragraphs out, and mention a few other possibilities in coupling rate control to a desirable loss rate. Or I (or you!) could go back an reminiscence about those bad ole mosquitonet days 92-99 where the loss was so bad that nothing worked and yet a retry at the mac layer was considered utter heresy... or... > But I would be relentless about simplifying mechanisms and not having lot= s of options to achieve the same goal. That way lies non-interoperability (= just as ECN ended up being pretty non-interoperable in a world where everyo= ne gets to choose a different way to try to use it) I hear ya. The biggest problem remains binary blob firmware, although it looks like both the qca team and intel are grokking things more deeply now and might start providing the right hooks, once we figure out what they are. Michal is off rigorously exploring dql options, I'm trying to get the right sort of hardware to catch up, and/or applying similar stuff to ath9k.... > > > > On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 3:48pm, "Dave Taht" said= : > >> I wish I could remember where the selective unprotect idea came from.... >> >> see: http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/selective_unprotect/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast >> > >