* [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated @ 2016-12-19 22:31 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 2016-12-20 0:10 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen @ 2016-12-19 22:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast, cake The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' staging tree at https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE nightlies before too long :) In related news, the Turris Omnia had the WiFi queue restructure patches added in the latest update; and the ath10k chip it ships with seems to have the required hardware support, so both WiFi devices in the Omnia now have nicely debloated queues. They also switched to sqm-scripts (from wondershaper that they shipped before), and added Cake :) -Toke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-19 22:31 [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated Toke Høiland-Jørgensen @ 2016-12-20 0:10 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-20 1:23 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-20 1:22 ` Dave Taht ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-20 0:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen; +Cc: make-wifi-fast, cake I note that jon just merged cobalt and made the sqm mode (diffserv3) and triple-isolate the default. On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote: > The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline > Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge > window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). > > The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' > staging tree at > https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if > nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE > nightlies before too long :) > > > In related news, the Turris Omnia had the WiFi queue restructure patches > added in the latest update; and the ath10k chip it ships with seems to > have the required hardware support, so both WiFi devices in the Omnia > now have nicely debloated queues. They also switched to sqm-scripts > (from wondershaper that they shipped before), and added Cake :) > > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-20 0:10 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht @ 2016-12-20 1:23 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-20 1:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen; +Cc: make-wifi-fast, cake Also, I've been testing the new cake code and thus far it doesn't crash, at least, and appears to be giving the desired results. On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > I note that jon just merged cobalt and made the sqm mode (diffserv3) > and triple-isolate the default. > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote: >> The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline >> Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge >> window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). >> >> The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' >> staging tree at >> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if >> nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE >> nightlies before too long :) >> >> >> In related news, the Turris Omnia had the WiFi queue restructure patches >> added in the latest update; and the ath10k chip it ships with seems to >> have the required hardware support, so both WiFi devices in the Omnia >> now have nicely debloated queues. They also switched to sqm-scripts >> (from wondershaper that they shipped before), and added Cake :) >> >> -Toke >> _______________________________________________ >> Cake mailing list >> Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > > > > -- > Dave Täht > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > http://blog.cerowrt.org -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-19 22:31 [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 2016-12-20 0:10 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht @ 2016-12-20 1:22 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 17:53 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 2016-12-24 1:32 ` Aaron Wood 3 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-20 1:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen; +Cc: make-wifi-fast, cake On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote: > The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline > Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge > window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). > > The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' > staging tree at > https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if > nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE > nightlies before too long :) w00t. > > In related news, the Turris Omnia had the WiFi queue restructure patches > added in the latest update; and the ath10k chip it ships with seems to > have the required hardware support, so both WiFi devices in the Omnia > now have nicely debloated queues. They also switched to sqm-scripts > (from wondershaper that they shipped before), and added Cake :) w00t w00t. Are you (or anyone here) in a position to bench the ath10k side? > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Cake m.ailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-19 22:31 [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 2016-12-20 0:10 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht 2016-12-20 1:22 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-22 17:53 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 2016-12-22 18:36 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 19:06 ` Jaap Buurman 2016-12-24 1:32 ` Aaron Wood 3 siblings, 2 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant @ 2016-12-22 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast On 19/12/16 22:31, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline > Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge > window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). > > The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' > staging tree at > https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if > nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE > nightlies before too long :) It's escaped out of Felix's tree and is now in master. Snapshots will start to have that as default as the buildbots do their thang. Not a bad present really :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-22 17:53 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant @ 2016-12-22 18:36 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 18:56 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-22 19:06 ` Jaap Buurman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-22 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant; +Cc: make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1517 bytes --] On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote: > > > On 19/12/16 22:31, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: >> >> The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline >> Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge >> window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). >> >> The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' >> staging tree at >> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if >> nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE >> nightlies before too long :) > > > It's escaped out of Felix's tree and is now in master. Snapshots will start > to have that as default as the buildbots do their thang. > > Not a bad present really :-) It looks like christmas morning would be a good time to open presents... and flash firmware! Also: The latest cake is looking like a win across the board (see attached). I am still nervous about longer RTTs (as I haven't tested those since the cobalt branch was merged), and I figure there is more to be done to speed it up - it's about cpu equivalent at 250Mbit on the apu2. _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org [-- Attachment #2: cake_win_250mbit_short_rtt.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 64639 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-22 18:36 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-22 18:56 ` Aaron Wood 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-22 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2177 bytes --] I need to dig out my WNDR3800 and see how cake and the airtime fairness patches all perform on it vs the WRT1900AC. But it's internal antennas and 11n radio have nothing on the WRT1900AC for wifi coverage and performance (over 2x the throughput at medium range, 10x at longer ranges, in my house). -Aaron On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant > <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote: > > > > > > On 19/12/16 22:31, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > >> > >> The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline > >> Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge > >> window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). > >> > >> The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' > >> staging tree at > >> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if > >> nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE > >> nightlies before too long :) > > > > > > It's escaped out of Felix's tree and is now in master. Snapshots will > start > > to have that as default as the buildbots do their thang. > > > > Not a bad present really :-) > > It looks like christmas morning would be a good time to open > presents... and flash firmware! > > Also: > > The latest cake is looking like a win across the board (see attached). > I am still nervous about longer RTTs (as I haven't tested those since > the cobalt branch was merged), and I figure there is more to be done > to speed it up - it's about cpu equivalent at 250Mbit on the apu2. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > > -- > Dave Täht > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > http://blog.cerowrt.org > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3418 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-22 17:53 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 2016-12-22 18:36 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-22 19:06 ` Jaap Buurman 2016-12-22 20:48 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 22:03 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 1 sibling, 2 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Jaap Buurman @ 2016-12-22 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1346 bytes --] This is awesome news! This means that it will be included in the first stable release that they have planned in the near future :) Now the following question might sound stupid, but how difficult would it be to apply these airtime fairness principles to Ath10k as well? Is this planned? Or will this be a Ath9k feature only? On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant < kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote: > > > On 19/12/16 22:31, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > >> The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline >> Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge >> window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). >> >> The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' >> staging tree at >> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if >> nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE >> nightlies before too long :) >> > > It's escaped out of Felix's tree and is now in master. Snapshots will > start to have that as default as the buildbots do their thang. > > Not a bad present really :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2186 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-22 19:06 ` Jaap Buurman @ 2016-12-22 20:48 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 22:03 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 1 sibling, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-22 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jaap Buurman; +Cc: make-wifi-fast On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Jaap Buurman <jaapbuurman@gmail.com> wrote: > This is awesome news! This means that it will be included in the first > stable release that they have planned in the near future :) Hope so. I look forward to testing that build soon - today, even, maybe, if I get unburied enough from christmas stuff. > Now the following question might sound stupid, but how difficult would it be > to apply these airtime fairness principles to Ath10k as well? The QCA folk have made noises about how to go about airtime fairness there. I really don't know how it will work, but there seemed to be a lot of enthusiasm in the room at the talk. I am hoping merely that the intermediate queues implementation (and thus, fq_codel) works with my older ath10k hardware at some point. Not clear to me if the ubntlite is capable of the "right thing", in particular, or what ath10k hardware enables it or not. When I last tried it I was at 100s of ms of added latency on that ath10k in that box. > Is this planned? Or will this be a Ath9k feature only? Well, I have some hope for the mt76, one day (already intermediate queue enabled), and we've looked over quite a few wifi chipsets. Marvell, perhaps. Quantenna appears impossible with the state of the firmware today. To me, up first would be a working intermediate queues implementation for, say, a few wifi chipsets used in clients like the c.h.i.p and pi3. I *dream* of finding an android chipset worth hacking on. > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant > <kevin@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 19/12/16 22:31, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: >>> >>> The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline >>> Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge >>> window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). >>> >>> The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' >>> staging tree at >>> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if >>> nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE >>> nightlies before too long :) >> >> >> It's escaped out of Felix's tree and is now in master. Snapshots will >> start to have that as default as the buildbots do their thang. >> >> Not a bad present really :-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-22 19:06 ` Jaap Buurman 2016-12-22 20:48 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-22 22:03 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 1 sibling, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant @ 2016-12-22 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast On 22/12/16 19:06, Jaap Buurman wrote: > This is awesome news! This means that it will be included in the first > stable release that they have planned in the near future :) I think Toke, Dave & myself regularly gently nudged Felix. I know that I nudged for exactly the reason of 'it should go in the first release' simply to get it out there. It's a similar story as to why I recently bumped the kmod-sched-cake package (twice) It needs to be available for people to use...the next challenge is getting people to use it....at least ath9k airtime fairness will be the default. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-19 22:31 [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated Toke Høiland-Jørgensen ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2016-12-22 17:53 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant @ 2016-12-24 1:32 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 1:41 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht 3 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 1:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen; +Cc: make-wifi-fast, cake [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1486 bytes --] Toke, Do you know if it's made it into the LEDE nightlies, yet? I loaded up the Dec 22 nightly onto my WNDR3800. Running rrul I'm getting about 10-30ms of latency over wired on the same link (and wifi is definitely the limit, as it's using piece_of_cake at 135M down, 12M up (and I'm seeing 0 measurable additional latency from piece of cake). -Aaron On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote: > The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline > Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge > window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). > > The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' > staging tree at > https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if > nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE > nightlies before too long :) > > > In related news, the Turris Omnia had the WiFi queue restructure patches > added in the latest update; and the ath10k chip it ships with seems to > have the required hardware support, so both WiFi devices in the Omnia > now have nicely debloated queues. They also switched to sqm-scripts > (from wondershaper that they shipped before), and added Cake :) > > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2192 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 1:32 ` Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 1:41 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 1:48 ` Aaron Wood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 1:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > Toke, > > Do you know if it's made it into the LEDE nightlies, yet? I loaded up the > Dec 22 nightly onto my WNDR3800. Running rrul I'm getting about 10-30ms of > latency over wired on the same link (and wifi is definitely the limit, as I'm assuming you meant wireless above? > it's using piece_of_cake at 135M down, 12M up (and I'm seeing 0 measurable I really don't recommend cake at much greater than 60Mbits on this hardware inbound. > additional latency from piece of cake). rrul stresses out both sides of the wifi connection AND all the Qos queues. rrul_be stresses out both sides but only one queue. rrul remains generally awful on wifi unless your dscp markings have been eliminated in transit. for rrul_be - unless you've got the fq_codel code on both sides, you aren't going to see as much benefit, and even if you are, the double buffering on both sides leads to a typical latency of about 10ms each way in this scenario. (so if you got it, you are inline with our results). I generally switched to using tcp_nup and tcp_ndown (with varying numbers of flows), as well as the various rtt_fair_var tests against multiple stations, to evaluate the wifi changes. It's not clear to me if the quantum and codel targets were restored to their defaults in this release (300->1514, 20ms -> 5ms) > -Aaron > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> > wrote: >> >> The airtime fairness patch for ath9k has been accepted into the mainline >> Linux kernel, and is queued to be merged for 4.11 (i.e. the next merge >> window after the current 4.10 cycle completes). >> >> The patch has also been accepted into LEDE and is currently in Felix' >> staging tree at >> https://git.lede-project.org/?p=lede/nbd/staging.git;a=summary - so if >> nothing surprising shows up, it should make it into the regular LEDE >> nightlies before too long :) >> >> >> In related news, the Turris Omnia had the WiFi queue restructure patches >> added in the latest update; and the ath10k chip it ships with seems to >> have the required hardware support, so both WiFi devices in the Omnia >> now have nicely debloated queues. They also switched to sqm-scripts >> (from wondershaper that they shipped before), and added Cake :) >> >> -Toke >> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cake mailing list > Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake > -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 1:41 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 1:48 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 1:59 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 1:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1007 bytes --] On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > > Toke, > > > > Do you know if it's made it into the LEDE nightlies, yet? I loaded up > the > > Dec 22 nightly onto my WNDR3800. Running rrul I'm getting about 10-30ms > of > > latency over wired on the same link (and wifi is definitely the limit, as > > I'm assuming you meant wireless above? > Yes. > > it's using piece_of_cake at 135M down, 12M up (and I'm seeing 0 > measurable > > I really don't recommend cake at much greater than 60Mbits on this > hardware inbound. > I, however, am _very_ happy with the results at those levels (using piece of cake, not layer-cake, layer-cake is flapping bandwidth between BK and the rest in my tests). It's not clear to me if the quantum and codel targets were restored to > their defaults in this release (300->1514, 20ms -> 5ms) > And... my WRT running OpenWRT CC is using quantum 300, target 5ms. -Aaron [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1827 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: wndr3800_lede_piece_cake_135_12.all.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 576284 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: wndr3800_wired_before_after.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 46718 bytes --] [-- Attachment #4: wndr3800_lede_vs_wrt1900ac_cc.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 43111 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 1:48 ` Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 1:59 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:01 ` Jonathan Morton ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 1:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Toke, >> > >> > Do you know if it's made it into the LEDE nightlies, yet? I loaded up >> > the >> > Dec 22 nightly onto my WNDR3800. Running rrul I'm getting about 10-30ms >> > of >> > latency over wired on the same link (and wifi is definitely the limit, >> > as >> >> I'm assuming you meant wireless above? > > > Yes. > >> >> > it's using piece_of_cake at 135M down, 12M up (and I'm seeing 0 >> > measurable >> >> I really don't recommend cake at much greater than 60Mbits on this >> hardware inbound. > > > I, however, am _very_ happy with the results at those levels (using piece of > cake, not layer-cake, layer-cake is flapping bandwidth between BK and the > rest in my tests). Impressive. I haven't gone and measured cake recently on low end routers. Certainly less classes helps it. It would be good if this performance level is true for the current implementation with a single queue. >> It's not clear to me if the quantum and codel targets were restored to >> their defaults in this release (300->1514, 20ms -> 5ms) > > > And... my WRT running OpenWRT CC is using quantum 300, target 5ms. The actual target and quantum are in one of the sysfs aqm files, I believe. Also I note most of the benefit of the new wifi code is at lower rates from your AP. Try moving 20 or more feet away.... > > -Aaron -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 1:59 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:01 ` Jonathan Morton 2016-12-24 2:03 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:07 ` Dave Taht 2 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Morton @ 2016-12-24 2:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Aaron Wood, cake, make-wifi-fast > On 24 Dec, 2016, at 03:59, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I, however, am _very_ happy with the results at those levels (using piece of >> cake, not layer-cake, layer-cake is flapping bandwidth between BK and the >> rest in my tests). > > Impressive. I did pay some attention to optimising the core algorithms recently. I’m glad that seems to be paying off. - Jonathan Morton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 1:59 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:01 ` Jonathan Morton @ 2016-12-24 2:03 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:07 ` Dave Taht 2 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast The simplest way to verify if you have the airtime fairness stuff is to look for a sysfs file named "airtime". The best way to test it is to drive more than one wifi device over it simultaneously from a wired link, and not through the ISP link. flent -H device1 -H device2 -H device1 -H device2 rtt_fair_up # example What is your wifi client presently? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:03 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:29 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 602 bytes --] On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > The simplest way to verify if you have the airtime fairness stuff is > to look for a sysfs file named "airtime". The best way to test it is > to drive more than one wifi device over it simultaneously from a wired > link, and not through the ISP link. > /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy[N]/ath9k/airtime_flags? > > flent -H device1 -H device2 -H device1 -H device2 rtt_fair_up # example > > What is your wifi client presently? > Mid 2015 MacBook Pro, very short range (<10 feet). My test bed is down for the evening, sadly. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1236 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:29 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:51 ` Aaron Wood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The simplest way to verify if you have the airtime fairness stuff is >> to look for a sysfs file named "airtime". The best way to test it is >> to drive more than one wifi device over it simultaneously from a wired >> link, and not through the ISP link. > > > /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy[N]/ath9k/airtime_flags? yep. there's also a per station one that only a parser could love. Example: ./kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/netdev:wlp2s0/stations/04:f0:21:1f:36:e2/airtime I'm getting on a plane to florida in a few hours, but I'm packing a ubntlite with me (as a gift for mom). Sounds like no more debugging required.... It sounds like we are on the verge of breaking out the eggnog, and raising a glass... (but I'd like a few more testers first - got a c7 anyone?) A merry bloat-free christmas to all, and to all, a good firmware! >> >> >> flent -H device1 -H device2 -H device1 -H device2 rtt_fair_up # example >> >> What is your wifi client presently? > > > Mid 2015 MacBook Pro, very short range (<10 feet). My test bed is down for > the evening, sadly. -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:29 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:51 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 3:17 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1657 bytes --] Excellent. I'll run more tests, and see if I can get some more boxes with flent installed. I'm short of test clients, myself. -Aaron On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 18:29 Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> The simplest way to verify if you have the airtime fairness stuff is > >> to look for a sysfs file named "airtime". The best way to test it is > >> to drive more than one wifi device over it simultaneously from a wired > >> link, and not through the ISP link. > > > > > > /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy[N]/ath9k/airtime_flags? > > yep. there's also a per station one that only a parser could love. Example: > > > ./kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/netdev:wlp2s0/stations/04:f0:21:1f:36:e2/airtime > > I'm getting on a plane to florida in a few hours, but I'm packing a > ubntlite with me (as a gift for mom). Sounds like no more debugging > required.... > > It sounds like we are on the verge of breaking out the eggnog, and > raising a glass... (but I'd like a few more testers first - got a c7 > anyone?) > > A merry bloat-free christmas to all, and to all, a good firmware! > > >> > >> > >> flent -H device1 -H device2 -H device1 -H device2 rtt_fair_up # example > >> > >> What is your wifi client presently? > > > > > > Mid 2015 MacBook Pro, very short range (<10 feet). My test bed is down > for > > the evening, sadly. > > > > -- > Dave Täht > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > http://blog.cerowrt.org > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3113 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:51 ` Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 3:17 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 14:03 ` Valent Turkovic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 3:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast Heh. Of all the hackerboards I tried, the odroid c2 was the fastest and is generally my default target these days. The "chip" is coming along nicely but lacks network. The odroid c1 and rpi2 have been the most reliable. (I'm still looking for a board with a decent toslink port....) ... I just foolishly tried to update my linksys 1200ac, but... it turned out the cable modem behind it was acting up and I lost touch with it (lacking a babel pre-installed)... aha! (/me worms his way through multiple hops through another modem) It looks like my default command line, post install is basically: opkg install luci-ssl luci-app-sqm babeld kmod-sched-cake netperf The 1200ac still has bug https://bugs.lede-project.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=294&order=status&sort=asc&order2=severity&sort2=desc I triggered it with: root@apu2:~/t# flent -H 172.26.64.1 -t 'isitfixed' --te=download_streams=12 tcp_ndown Warning: Program exited non-zero (1). Command: /usr/bin/netperf -P 0 -v 0 -D -0.20 -4 -H 172.26.64.1 -t TCP_MAERTS -l 60 -f m -- -H 172.26.64.1 Program output: netperf: send_omni: connect_data_socket failed: No route to host Warning: Command produced no valid data. Data series: TCP download::5 Runner: NetperfDemoRunner Command: /usr/bin/netperf -P 0 -v 0 -D -0.20 -4 -H 172.26.64.1 -t TCP_MAERTS -l 60 -f m -- -H 172.26.64.1 Standard error output: netperf: send_omni: connect_data_socket failed: No route to host The way I was dealing with it was with running cake at 900mbit on the internal ethernet. I guess it's one way around bugs like this. On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > Excellent. I'll run more tests, and see if I can get some more boxes with > flent installed. I'm short of test clients, myself. > > -Aaron > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 18:29 Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> The simplest way to verify if you have the airtime fairness stuff is >> >> to look for a sysfs file named "airtime". The best way to test it is >> >> to drive more than one wifi device over it simultaneously from a wired >> >> link, and not through the ISP link. >> > >> > >> > /sys/kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy[N]/ath9k/airtime_flags? >> >> yep. there's also a per station one that only a parser could love. >> Example: >> >> >> ./kernel/debug/ieee80211/phy0/netdev:wlp2s0/stations/04:f0:21:1f:36:e2/airtime >> >> I'm getting on a plane to florida in a few hours, but I'm packing a >> ubntlite with me (as a gift for mom). Sounds like no more debugging >> required.... >> >> It sounds like we are on the verge of breaking out the eggnog, and >> raising a glass... (but I'd like a few more testers first - got a c7 >> anyone?) >> >> A merry bloat-free christmas to all, and to all, a good firmware! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> flent -H device1 -H device2 -H device1 -H device2 rtt_fair_up # example >> >> >> >> What is your wifi client presently? >> > >> > >> > Mid 2015 MacBook Pro, very short range (<10 feet). My test bed is down >> > for >> > the evening, sadly. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Täht >> Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! >> http://blog.cerowrt.org -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 3:17 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 14:03 ` Valent Turkovic 2016-12-25 17:06 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Valent Turkovic @ 2016-12-24 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Aaron Wood, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 169 bytes --] Please send just a short notification as soon as Lede with airfairness has been released, I have really good real world location that can test how effective it works... [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 194 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 14:03 ` Valent Turkovic @ 2016-12-25 17:06 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 2016-12-25 17:16 ` Dave Täht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen @ 2016-12-25 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Valent Turkovic; +Cc: Dave Taht, cake, make-wifi-fast, Aaron Wood Valent Turkovic <valent@otvorenamreza.org> writes: > Please send just a short notification as soon as Lede with airfairness > has been released, I have really good real world location that can > test how effective it works... It should be in the nightly LEDE builds by now :) -Toke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-25 17:06 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen @ 2016-12-25 17:16 ` Dave Täht 2016-12-25 18:41 ` Noah Causin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Täht @ 2016-12-25 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast On 12/25/16 12:06 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > Valent Turkovic <valent@otvorenamreza.org> writes: > >> Please send just a short notification as soon as Lede with airfairness >> has been released, I have really good real world location that can >> test how effective it works... > > It should be in the nightly LEDE builds by now :) I just installed the dec 25th build for the ubnt uaplite. airtime fairness/fq_codel appears in there for the ath9k. regrettably the ath10k in that box is not picking up the fq_codel code. Too old firmware? Too old chipset? root@fqcodel:/etc/config# dmesg | grep ath10k [ 27.720253] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: pci irq legacy oper_irq_mode 1 irq_mode 0 reset_mode 0 [ 27.938406] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 [ 27.949483] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 28.140816] firmware ath10k!pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin: firmware_loading_store: map pages failed [ 28.150362] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 [ 28.161085] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 35.436780] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: qca988x hw2.0 target 0x4100016c chip_id 0x043222ff sub 0000:0000 [ 35.446345] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: kconfig debug 0 debugfs 1 tracing 0 dfs 1 testmode 1 [ 35.459369] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: firmware ver 10.2.4.70.59-2 api 5 features no-p2p,raw-mode,mfp crc32 4159f498 [ 35.470177] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/QCA988X/hw2.0/board-2.bin failed with error -2 [ 35.480968] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 35.558782] firmware ath10k!QCA988X!hw2.0!board-2.bin: firmware_loading_store: map pages failed [ 35.575232] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: board_file api 1 bmi_id N/A crc32 bebc7c08 [ 36.684593] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: htt-ver 2.1 wmi-op 5 htt-op 2 cal file max-sta 128 raw 0 hwcrypto 1 > > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-25 17:16 ` Dave Täht @ 2016-12-25 18:41 ` Noah Causin 2016-12-25 19:18 ` Jaap Buurman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Noah Causin @ 2016-12-25 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast It probably does not have the ath10k softqueues patch from Toke's repository. On 12/25/2016 12:16 PM, Dave Täht wrote: > > On 12/25/16 12:06 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: >> Valent Turkovic <valent@otvorenamreza.org> writes: >> >>> Please send just a short notification as soon as Lede with airfairness >>> has been released, I have really good real world location that can >>> test how effective it works... >> It should be in the nightly LEDE builds by now :) > I just installed the dec 25th build for the ubnt uaplite. > > airtime fairness/fq_codel appears in there for the ath9k. > > regrettably the ath10k in that box is not picking up the fq_codel code. > Too old firmware? Too old chipset? > > root@fqcodel:/etc/config# dmesg | grep ath10k > [ 27.720253] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: pci irq legacy oper_irq_mode 1 > irq_mode 0 reset_mode 0 > [ 27.938406] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for > ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 > [ 27.949483] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper > [ 28.140816] firmware ath10k!pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin: > firmware_loading_store: map pages failed > [ 28.150362] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for > ath10k/cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 > [ 28.161085] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper > [ 35.436780] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: qca988x hw2.0 target 0x4100016c > chip_id 0x043222ff sub 0000:0000 > [ 35.446345] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: kconfig debug 0 debugfs 1 > tracing 0 dfs 1 testmode 1 > [ 35.459369] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: firmware ver 10.2.4.70.59-2 api > 5 features no-p2p,raw-mode,mfp crc32 4159f498 > [ 35.470177] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for > ath10k/QCA988X/hw2.0/board-2.bin failed with error -2 > [ 35.480968] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper > [ 35.558782] firmware ath10k!QCA988X!hw2.0!board-2.bin: > firmware_loading_store: map pages failed > [ 35.575232] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: board_file api 1 bmi_id N/A > crc32 bebc7c08 > [ 36.684593] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: htt-ver 2.1 wmi-op 5 htt-op 2 > cal file max-sta 128 raw 0 hwcrypto 1 > > >> -Toke >> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast >> > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-25 18:41 ` Noah Causin @ 2016-12-25 19:18 ` Jaap Buurman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Jaap Buurman @ 2016-12-25 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3148 bytes --] Is this planned to be added in the current LEDE trunk? And if so, is there an ETA? Sounds like an amazing feature to have by default in all LEDE builds, similar to the current Ath9k airtime fairness patch :) On Dec 25, 2016 19:41, "Noah Causin" <n0manletter@gmail.com> wrote: > It probably does not have the ath10k softqueues patch from Toke's > repository. > > > On 12/25/2016 12:16 PM, Dave Täht wrote: > >> >> On 12/25/16 12:06 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: >> >>> Valent Turkovic <valent@otvorenamreza.org> writes: >>> >>> Please send just a short notification as soon as Lede with airfairness >>>> has been released, I have really good real world location that can >>>> test how effective it works... >>>> >>> It should be in the nightly LEDE builds by now :) >>> >> I just installed the dec 25th build for the ubnt uaplite. >> >> airtime fairness/fq_codel appears in there for the ath9k. >> >> regrettably the ath10k in that box is not picking up the fq_codel code. >> Too old firmware? Too old chipset? >> >> root@fqcodel:/etc/config# dmesg | grep ath10k >> [ 27.720253] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: pci irq legacy oper_irq_mode 1 >> irq_mode 0 reset_mode 0 >> [ 27.938406] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for >> ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 >> [ 27.949483] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper >> [ 28.140816] firmware ath10k!pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin: >> firmware_loading_store: map pages failed >> [ 28.150362] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for >> ath10k/cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 >> [ 28.161085] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper >> [ 35.436780] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: qca988x hw2.0 target 0x4100016c >> chip_id 0x043222ff sub 0000:0000 >> [ 35.446345] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: kconfig debug 0 debugfs 1 >> tracing 0 dfs 1 testmode 1 >> [ 35.459369] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: firmware ver 10.2.4.70.59-2 api >> 5 features no-p2p,raw-mode,mfp crc32 4159f498 >> [ 35.470177] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for >> ath10k/QCA988X/hw2.0/board-2.bin failed with error -2 >> [ 35.480968] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper >> [ 35.558782] firmware ath10k!QCA988X!hw2.0!board-2.bin: >> firmware_loading_store: map pages failed >> [ 35.575232] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: board_file api 1 bmi_id N/A >> crc32 bebc7c08 >> [ 36.684593] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: htt-ver 2.1 wmi-op 5 htt-op 2 >> cal file max-sta 128 raw 0 hwcrypto 1 >> >> >> -Toke >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >>> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast >> > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4678 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 1:59 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:01 ` Jonathan Morton 2016-12-24 2:03 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:07 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:15 ` Dave Taht ` (2 more replies) 2 siblings, 3 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this distance???? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:07 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:15 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:22 ` Aaron Wood 2 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast and your rrul result I regard to be impossible unless wifi is not your bottleneck or all your markings are getting washed away or you have 802.11e disabled (which I long have recommended disabling anyway). On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this distance???? -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:07 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:15 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:22 ` Aaron Wood 2 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 993 bytes --] On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this distance???? > Wired, 3800 running the latest LEDE snapshot, and the ac1900 running the OpenWRT CC release. They have _slightly_ different SQM settings, though: 3800: LEDE 2016/12/22 snapshot "piece of cake" 135Mbps down 12Mbps up DSCP no squash, don't ignore on ingress ECN wrt1900ac: OpenWRT Chaos Calmer rc2 simple.qos 160Mbps down 12Mbps up DSCP no squash, allow on ingress ECN So I'm running a single-queue on the 3800, and multi-queue on the wrt. The WRT has always counted bytes in an "off" manner, limiting to _far_ below the set level. Unlimited on this modem is up at 180Mbps downstream today. Today's tests with LEDE on the 3800 were a warm-up for moving the wrt1900ac over to LEDE. But I wanted a backup in case something goes awry (nearly bricked the 3800 as I forgot to uncheck "keep settings" on the OpenWRT->LEDE upgrade. -Aaron [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1597 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:07 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:15 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:22 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:24 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:31 ` Dave Taht 2 siblings, 2 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 402 bytes --] On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this distance???? > At short range, the wrt1900ac running OpenWRT is still out-performing the 3800 running LEDE. The wrt1900ac has some _very_ nice radios (or maybe it's just the much better antennas). I'll do longer-range tests tomorrow, if I get a chance. -Aaron [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 753 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: boxes_wifi.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 45428 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:22 ` Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:24 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:25 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:31 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this >> distance???? > > > At short range, the wrt1900ac running OpenWRT is still out-performing the > 3800 running LEDE. The wrt1900ac has some _very_ nice radios (or maybe it's > just the much better antennas). I'll do longer-range tests tomorrow, if I > get a chance. Are you in HT40 mode? > -Aaron > -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:24 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:25 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:33 ` Dave Taht 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 657 bytes --] On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this > >> distance???? > > > > > > At short range, the wrt1900ac running OpenWRT is still out-performing the > > 3800 running LEDE. The wrt1900ac has some _very_ nice radios (or maybe > it's > > just the much better antennas). I'll do longer-range tests tomorrow, if > I > > get a chance. > > Are you in HT40 mode? > Yes, on both. Also on ch 44 for both. -Aaron [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:25 ` Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:33 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:49 ` Aaron Wood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this >> >> distance???? >> > >> > >> > At short range, the wrt1900ac running OpenWRT is still out-performing >> > the >> > 3800 running LEDE. The wrt1900ac has some _very_ nice radios (or maybe >> > it's >> > just the much better antennas). I'll do longer-range tests tomorrow, if >> > I >> > get a chance. >> >> Are you in HT40 mode? > > > Yes, on both. Also on ch 44 for both. At distance I have generally found the higher tx power available helps on the higher channels, btw. I can't remember right now, but 153 and higher could do like txpower 30, and are less commonly used. > -Aaron -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:33 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:49 ` Aaron Wood 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Aaron Wood @ 2016-12-24 2:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1407 bytes --] I tried higher power early on with the wrt1900ac, but it seemed to cause problems, although I don't think I was on that high of a channel. -Aaron On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 18:33 Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this > >> >> distance???? > >> > > >> > > >> > At short range, the wrt1900ac running OpenWRT is still out-performing > >> > the > >> > 3800 running LEDE. The wrt1900ac has some _very_ nice radios (or > maybe > >> > it's > >> > just the much better antennas). I'll do longer-range tests tomorrow, > if > >> > I > >> > get a chance. > >> > >> Are you in HT40 mode? > > > > > > Yes, on both. Also on ch 44 for both. > > At distance I have generally found the higher tx power available helps > on the higher channels, btw. I can't remember right now, but 153 and > higher could do like txpower 30, and are less commonly used. > > > -Aaron > > > > -- > Dave Täht > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > http://blog.cerowrt.org > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2956 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated 2016-12-24 2:22 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:24 ` Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:31 ` Dave Taht 1 sibling, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2016-12-24 2:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aaron Wood; +Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, cake, make-wifi-fast On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> your 3800 is outperforming the ac1900 across the board at this >> distance???? > > > At short range, the wrt1900ac running OpenWRT is still out-performing the > 3800 running LEDE. The wrt1900ac has some _very_ nice radios (or maybe it's > just the much better antennas). I'll do longer-range tests tomorrow, if I > get a chance. I'd like you to use tcp_ndown and tcp_nup for a fairer comparison than rrul, with 1,2,3,8,12 streams... but I am quite happy with all this so far. Looks great. > -Aaron > -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
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* Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated [not found] ` <CALukJKQtLKfcJomdHsA-WMfPQ6YB0AAY6M6JbNNaKFqpgtObDw@mail.gmail.com> @ 2017-01-04 17:58 ` Jon Pike 0 siblings, 0 replies; 35+ messages in thread From: Jon Pike @ 2017-01-04 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: make-wifi-fast [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2559 bytes --] HNY to all... Did a Sysupgrade of the 12-27-16 LEDE, from Toke's 11-24 build, running nicely. Not sure if I should have done the full FW update, or not tried saving settings, but after luci install everything seems to be working fine. Better than before, actually. I did see the same errors in the syslog that Dave reports on the ath10k. Wondering if I should, on a TP-Link C7? Tnx... Jon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Dave Täht" <dave@taht.net> To: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Cc: Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 12:16:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated I just installed the dec 25th build for the ubnt uaplite. airtime fairness/fq_codel appears in there for the ath9k. regrettably the ath10k in that box is not picking up the fq_codel code. Too old firmware? Too old chipset? root@fqcodel:/etc/config# dmesg | grep ath10k [ 27.720253] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: pci irq legacy oper_irq_mode 1 irq_mode 0 reset_mode 0 [ 27.938406] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 [ 27.949483] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 28.140816] firmware ath10k!pre-cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin: firmware_loading_store: map pages failed [ 28.150362] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/cal-pci-0000:00:00.0.bin failed with error -2 [ 28.161085] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 35.436780] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: qca988x hw2.0 target 0x4100016c chip_id 0x043222ff sub 0000:0000 [ 35.446345] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: kconfig debug 0 debugfs 1 tracing 0 dfs 1 testmode 1 [ 35.459369] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: firmware ver 10.2.4.70.59-2 api 5 features no-p2p,raw-mode,mfp crc32 4159f498 [ 35.470177] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Direct firmware load for ath10k/QCA988X/hw2.0/board-2.bin failed with error -2 [ 35.480968] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 35.558782] firmware ath10k!QCA988X!hw2.0!board-2.bin: firmware_loading_store: map pages failed [ 35.575232] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: board_file api 1 bmi_id N/A crc32 bebc7c08 [ 36.684593] ath10k_pci 0000:00:00.0: htt-ver 2.1 wmi-op 5 htt-op 2 cal file max-sta 128 raw 0 hwcrypto 1 > > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3581 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 35+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2017-01-04 17:58 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 35+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2016-12-19 22:31 [Make-wifi-fast] Airtime fairness patch merged upstream, and the Turris Omnia debloated Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 2016-12-20 0:10 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht 2016-12-20 1:23 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-20 1:22 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 17:53 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 2016-12-22 18:36 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 18:56 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-22 19:06 ` Jaap Buurman 2016-12-22 20:48 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-22 22:03 ` Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant 2016-12-24 1:32 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 1:41 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Dave Taht 2016-12-24 1:48 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 1:59 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:01 ` Jonathan Morton 2016-12-24 2:03 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:29 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:51 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 3:17 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 14:03 ` Valent Turkovic 2016-12-25 17:06 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 2016-12-25 17:16 ` Dave Täht 2016-12-25 18:41 ` Noah Causin 2016-12-25 19:18 ` Jaap Buurman 2016-12-24 2:07 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:15 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:18 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:22 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:24 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:25 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:33 ` Dave Taht 2016-12-24 2:49 ` Aaron Wood 2016-12-24 2:31 ` Dave Taht [not found] <CALukJKRJOdEg-0Jes-X3yXzUs9P3nVsgEnUOKZAm58D_51XGXA@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKR53RggQ4T7m7VncGTrkpSUWY_9OVHQUvfPrFfs_utvcA@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKSivrCaptfmLrBHkDYjXoVjY1RZLigQHNhjT1xKy2sRZA@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKSfmmMRSHO9D8KAxzj80vVAtEJV27k1N_JrEY7=4sNfvA@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKShdvNT4CCsvn3S4yQCABPEMq_ZB=h6CTFOKLdGRM2F1Q@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKTX6we5zOYh90A1cqEJqZvvLwRuk_RtoxwER8Y4EnENaQ@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKQG0nMP8_4_ST34nn1S2HsBr_1Wv5iusDbr7LeCmFvBZg@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKQAV4UOsTHMZdpQaq0aiKD_JpZqbWP9p74LJZZdJARAjw@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKQt+GZ=RVRJimRPbKRiGvz-Fo=N6tLj7_1OayXB6e6omw@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKQnPoV66eX-9W2o4n1_Tc+2od0S4pvhF1rCCUB3EL8keQ@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKR1bB8MgY4=+yjdk2BrycJ=ZtRLmwzrPBz-VuNuVMudHQ@mail.gmail.com> [not found] ` <CALukJKQtLKfcJomdHsA-WMfPQ6YB0AAY6M6JbNNaKFqpgtObDw@mail.gmail.com> 2017-01-04 17:58 ` Jon Pike
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