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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Michal Kazior <michal.kazior@tieto.com>
Cc: linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	"codel@lists.bufferbloat.net" <codel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv4 5/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for codel
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 22:51:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw6dJ=fUK_Sr1Pcrm8wES9o_aC+oHqXcQksc_yKbqv8ikA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+BoTQnED8EiLFNWq=8CPVAtufi0R5WjzAf6Pkf6cxUON_xY4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Michal Kazior <michal.kazior@tieto.com> wrote:
> On 5 May 2016 at 17:21, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:00 AM, Michal Kazior <michal.kazior@tieto.com> wrote:
>>> This adds a few debugfs entries to make it easier
>>> to test, debug and experiment.
>>
>> I might argue in favor of moving all these (inc the fq ones) into
>> their own dir, maybe "aqm" or "sqm".
>>
>> The mixture of read only stats and configuration vars is a bit confusing.
>>
>> Also in my testing of the previous patch, actually seeing the stats
>> get updated seemed to be highly async or inaccurate. For example, it
>> was obvious from the captures themselves that codel_ce_mark-ing was
>> happening, but the actual numbers out of wack with the mark seen or
>> fq_backlog seen.  (I can go back to revisit this)
>
> That's kind of expected since all of these bits are exposed as
> separate debugfs entries/files. To avoid that it'd be necessary to
> provide a single debugfs entry/file whose contents are generated on
> open() while holding local->fq.lock. But then you could argue it
> should contain all per-sta-tid info as well (backlog, flows, drops) as
> well instead of having them in netdev*/stations/*/txqs.
> Hmm..

I have not had time to write up todays results to any full extent, but
they were pretty spectacular.

I have a comparison of the baseline ath10k driver vs your 3.5 patchset
here on the second plot:

http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/predictive_codeling/

The raw data is here:
https://github.com/dtaht/blog-cerowrt/tree/master/content/flent/qca-10.2-fqmac35-codel-5

...

a note: quantum of the mtu (typically 1514) is a saner default than 300,

(the older patch I had, set it to 300, dunno what your default is now).

and quantum 1514, codel target 5ms rather than 20ms for this test
series was *just fine* (but more testing of the lower target is
needed)

However:

quantum "300" only makes sense for very, very low bandwidths (say <
6mbits), in other scenarios it just eats extra cpu (5 passes through
the loop to send a big packet) and disables
the "new/old" queue feature which helps "push" new flows to flow
balance. I'd default it to the larger value.




...

In other news, spacex just landed on the barge a few minutes ago.

The webcast is still going on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bMeDj76ig and you can reverse it to
the landing.
:awesome:

>
>
> Michał



-- 
Dave Täht
Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software!
http://blog.cerowrt.org

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-06  5:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-16 10:17 [Make-wifi-fast] [RFCv2 0/3] mac80211: implement fq codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFCv2 1/3] mac80211: implement fq_codel for software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-03-22  1:35   ` David Lang
2016-03-22  6:51     ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFCv2 2/3] ath10k: report per-station tx/rate rates to mac80211 Michal Kazior
2016-03-24  7:19   ` Mohammed Shafi Shajakhan
2016-03-24  7:49     ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-24 12:23       ` Mohammed Shafi Shajakhan
2016-03-24 12:31         ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:17 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFCv2 3/3] ath10k: use ieee80211_tx_schedule() Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 10:26 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFCv2 0/3] mac80211: implement fq codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-16 15:37   ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 18:36     ` Dave Taht
2016-03-16 18:55       ` Bob Copeland
2016-03-16 19:48         ` Jasmine Strong
2016-03-17  8:55           ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17 11:12             ` Bob Copeland
2016-03-17 17:00             ` Dave Taht
2016-03-17 17:24               ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Codel] " Rick Jones
2016-03-21 11:57               ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:43       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-17  9:03     ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-25  9:27 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH 0/2] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-25  9:27   ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH 1/2] mac80211: implement fair queuing per txq Michal Kazior
     [not found]     ` <CAHqTa-0yEFYAFpSKyko1ET33GsN==_D8TpBeq6AtwLj4XMTW0A@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-11  7:25       ` Michal Kazior
2016-03-25  9:27   ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH 2/2] mac80211: expose some txq/fq internals and knobs via debugfs Michal Kazior
2016-03-31 10:28   ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv2 0/2] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-03-31 10:28     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv2 1/2] mac80211: implement fair queuing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-04-05 13:57       ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-05 14:32         ` Dave Taht
     [not found]           ` <1459927276.17504.6.camel@sipsolutions.net>
2016-04-06 17:39             ` Dave Taht
2016-04-07  8:53               ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-06  5:35         ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-06  6:03           ` Jonathan Morton
2016-04-06  7:16             ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-06 16:46               ` Jonathan Morton
2016-04-06  7:19           ` Johannes Berg
2016-03-31 10:28     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv2 2/2] mac80211: expose some txq/fq internals and knobs via debugfs Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv3 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv3 1/5] mac80211: skip netdev queue control with software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-04-16 22:21         ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-18  5:39           ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv3 2/5] mac80211: implement fair queueing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-04-16 22:23         ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-16 22:25           ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-18  5:16             ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-18 12:31               ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Codel] " Eric Dumazet
2016-04-18 13:36                 ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-19  9:10                   ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv3 3/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for fair queuing Michal Kazior
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv3 4/5] mac80211: implement codel on fair queuing flows Michal Kazior
2016-04-16 22:29         ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-18  5:31           ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-18 12:38             ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-19  9:06               ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-19  9:31                 ` Michal Kazior
2016-04-19  9:57                   ` Johannes Berg
2016-04-14 12:18       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv3 5/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00       ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv4 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv4 1/5] mac80211: skip netdev queue control with software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-05-09 12:28           ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv4 2/5] mac80211: implement fair queueing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv4 3/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for fair queuing Michal Kazior
2016-06-09  9:48           ` Johannes Berg
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv4 4/5] mac80211: implement codel on fair queuing flows Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 15:30           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-05 11:00         ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv4 5/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-05 15:21           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-06  5:27             ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-06  5:51               ` Dave Taht [this message]
2016-05-06  6:33                 ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-06  7:23                   ` Dave Taht
2016-05-19  8:37         ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 1/5] mac80211: skip netdev queue control with software queuing Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 2/5] mac80211: implement fair queueing per txq Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 3/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for fair queuing Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 4/5] mac80211: implement codel on fair queuing flows Michal Kazior
2016-05-19  8:37           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 5/5] mac80211: add debug knobs for codel Michal Kazior
2016-06-09  9:47             ` Johannes Berg
2016-05-31 12:12           ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCHv5 0/5] mac80211: implement fq_codel Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-31 12:31             ` Michal Kazior
2016-06-09  9:49           ` Johannes Berg

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