Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Wi-Fi 6 - how many of our assumptions does it violate?

[Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>]

Are "RvR vs latency" tests part of any testing regime outside of google yet?

http://flent-newark.bufferbloat.net/~d/Airtime%20based%20queue%20limit%20for%20FQ_CoDel%20in%20wireless%20interface.pdf

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:20 PM Bob McMahon via Make-wifi-fast
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> It's part of the reasons iperf 2.0.14 has so many new latency, trip-time, start-time, connect, etc related features. Peak avg throughput is no longer a valid proxy for "performance."
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> From a testing view, attenuation or range is no longer sufficient either.  Phase shifters are needed per things like VR/AR as truly optimizing the number of spatial streams is needed too.
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> The loss function(s) to be optimized (minimized) is far from trivial in both the definition and in [re]-computing in "real-time"
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> WiFi engineers have more work to do.
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> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:28 PM Dave Taht <dave@taht.net> wrote:
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>> Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com> writes:
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>> >> On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> I saw this overview of the now-in-testing Wi-Fi 6 at
>> >> https://www.howtogeek.com/368332/wi-fi-6-what%E2%80%99s-different-and-why-it-matters/
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>> >> Its multiple MIMO streams and maybe talking to multiple devices at a
>> >> time seem as if they might be outside the assumptions we use.
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>> > It's worse than I thought. I just watched this explainer video from
>> > ExtremeNetworks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owBrkFk9afM
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>> > If I understand correctly, they want the AP to solve a hard
>> > (bin-packing) problem, in real-time, with unclear rules for maximizing
>> > client goals (should the VoIP packet go first?). And no mention of
>> > airtime fairness or latency...
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>> > Or am I missing something? Thanks.
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>> No, they punted on these things in the design.
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