From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-x236.google.com (mail-ob0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00F0F3B2BD; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ob0-x236.google.com with SMTP id fz5so156608434obc.0; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=aRbW+k7oxUSub+o7/xEM5WvQd9n2HNoj27D3HIQmWvM=; b=qATangIwwlwf3PmqfWTGnaV1kPB89XzPWVCot6qQE4On+bCKXUroWugcPFNX5ZObKF uYL3u6JiZgk6THc6rkool7BZF2RCKAEab0okHZBkx4XMzJFvfzzJjzgrY+FHz01Xa16I HoZ95HVUqgyyyETkVm930s5jcKpeLV0ib3KM1RIRcn4TYry6Ue5wCTRiBI7VvImfWnTe oTbioyVmJNj2qBpqZ3q+VLIMlXSEh6rkfqgK/wh4uVDBodp+h8gq1qZP/wDiY+PF5a2M Y4Y+jcNlYVTa5PukSznFoAS+heLCKJS2Z0vEu/QyLJ8QYSQjB4ka0dj0G7rsZF3zfaPJ V+FA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=aRbW+k7oxUSub+o7/xEM5WvQd9n2HNoj27D3HIQmWvM=; b=LblbknRJNNRSvbFDAe1KrLIhPdJs3W6ORcKyTRZME+3PGkY3pXq5VPecLesWjDOqjs zqe6VDMP8pyn1q5Lr1IhNDa/jrXqdTL/gnJIX3jAqyhfrimTOCPKhaNH3azJZFbmitAa Ponznqy3a/4klnR9aZw5WXg1/ME9PgLeImExLcZukPq/5GSMy0u5eNP5fFfIKJiByEOh N4wxrzgxswIH2wK16m1vjUcLu60J+1AQMlVzdGS5u2LETRr00fZ3O5hhEWqhLu7hgA/G MpqdL49UwFxGGaXHwjjR3MhCq2BA8PCS76xHHSJ4QAi9dMnuzBJOC/OXR5G9Y0vNMxRN m8Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLvYeMKP/rAx1J77kAlmrGYGRZPRPPQOisDT5isw2qpSM0XUJEH5997uNoWdngRRm96dBLeOgjlWMIgRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.158.163 with SMTP id wv3mr12310735obb.78.1457891337407; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.79.88 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9BD140AE-D0FA-47B1-8BED-DE60E603F6E5@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:48:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Wayne Workman Cc: Jonathan Morton , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, Alan Jenkins , bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] [Cerowrt-devel] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 17:48:58 -0000 It's a really big present and future market, and ideas like these are being explored. Multiple wifi-router-with-display projects were launched on kickstarter, some are shipping. I evaluated one, only to find it was all gui, slapped on top of an antiquated kernel. Other enterprise players focused on making hundreds of devices easier to manage, without focusing on the underlying tech much. Currently hot is the idea of using an app to control the device, rather than a web browser. eero is doing this, so are others. but my own thing is this tiny, tiny little bit of an overall next-gen wifi or wireless product - getting the queue theory right, and "out there"as a basic component of everything, no matter what is layered on top. This is *hard*. Work is just beginning. Delivering a polished product with all the desirable features is 99.999% more work than that. Realizing, that in wifi, most of the problems can't be solved at the AP, but in the clients and their drivers, depressing. If it were possible to assemble a funded team to produce an "openwifi" product - or one as open as possible, as seems possible with the mediatek chipset - I'd join it. Same goes for producing open hardware ip for wifi to be, say, co-joined with the risc-v or millcomputing work. But we're talking millions of dollars here even with university help. I helped fund this - http://www.meshsr.com/ - to no nearly no avail, but there is a lot of work taking place on the zynq derived FPGAs that one day might see the light as ASICs. http://www.mathworks.com/hardware-support/zynq-sdr.html?requestedDomain=www.mathworks.com There are niche markets opening, in other spectrum bands (802.11ad), and I still retain hope that UWB could take shape somehow, maybe as an in-house backhaul... It may well be that micro-cells from 5G will be the wave of the future.