From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6727C3CB35 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2021 10:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id b203so10440325iof.1 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 07:20:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uXs95m/rm4XDucJrcINrgQ2TaflX4odoJPyUNLUswrw=; b=T+g46aCp6MFtmOETedAMxTv8VeDziKeM61mV1lcfk6U92aFkmJbSgE0GG4fotZl9on RTpcPoWAB6eJ+ohKOJTvtpp0mprGpb0r16yOuOwQYa2zHfKWN1ixNlue3P9qqnngF+5i Lo9rqG1otQuwLY2XDBQFD56XmHR7xC4eenrCBqKhmXBh5rGre7ny2RXKYijotspgKDjl hCYwZjziI6mPfhsYqRAfvi7spJVOSA7xFyvx9zwrz1bSCIbW7tV2Vmvjfu2rod3Bp+Xw a1d/X0GU0mfiuRgGi4gSQzWKZd7XTDakKH3XaFLdSuXcPXZsX+AZxiHdK+vBPenwCKRW 6gsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uXs95m/rm4XDucJrcINrgQ2TaflX4odoJPyUNLUswrw=; b=DDzxVJ6eu4Po4CgI5kZfTDfkSdSRVOyde8lc/TaWHyqUhTzhownqI0B/WwWouVhA73 sR2Zf2bLzj7maupnfgTRtUU1pdxWPhltWY39whBSIS8sE2iha8xJXhE6EZYs8IcEczEC 285aHjhBk6r87OpQxOJ+j7rku3X4R3W2q17OIJeec2JJoAJOe2XmA3UupV/JCdSgnJE3 ICJZKePLcpL7yXFiDrAUeu6UrF5emWOXbPYhqpcGytCmudYjD7SZ7rnBiPo6Upa34o4S vtwS02QjWJK4mu7dv9Jy6U6XAxIKTFZonzb6u0rFMe+3OIqkKCpvOfuUOGhnRYvCqSMU +B3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531NdohqrBN7fDvgQDlRyZL0hqWAB8uKo26NNDo75w+Xj2V6yiPS tsHSk4aO9MAngPUleF+GzdGR+FjH/3x26nEmB6x6BZK+Vyo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy0rN5M8QxEXXmlQ6CPCLgP32NcrE12pBvMPzYCDapuhvAS49jbKd9wPCLBK/DcErlf7dI14xnFM/pipzsi3Eg= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9d46:: with SMTP id k6mr25853856iok.55.1635862811524; Tue, 02 Nov 2021 07:20:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 07:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: To: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] is there a rigorous definition of airtime fairness X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:20:12 -0000 googling for it today, there seems to be some marketing confusion around it (go googling), involving wmm in particular. What *we* meant from it was that airtime fairness translated to proportional fairness, as per https://www.hamilton.ie/net/single-hop-propfair.pdf did the market change on us? --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC