From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78DDE3B2A4 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-421338c4c3bso16062785e9.1 for ; Sun, 02 Jun 2024 17:17:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1717373829; x=1717978629; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZRrbbmfiSu/2BP63DnjW4DEG6NF78sO5juRsL2pngJA=; b=fUPne4LZMgO5t/3ImxEqgq9ApryWT6XbMXLehH4xNaMiuZrosyndTz8NPTmaL/Nkrk opoynOvii0VKdIibP3FWS2LsxRUfCAHPMq40mpaf2Ujk/vVPhFDN6WZxTPW1U9eMGjKL gPNNNAYoc2fonAudEipG+eaI5uVPca+UhEXtdQqAHRK8/7dWUqDgnyKdJIZQUV4InryC cRZ/+0sJ1WEKQnJcGEc+FTgEq0tDA6HTaQJp+kMW/w5EQ3984ZgjU8n8QdifMVTRaAIK JYf9PrQJGa67tU6DcrycKJNHrA+fmdxMNK8zqaGPKmsdRDzF54PJ3id2ktMYYE/tTGVq ocCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1717373829; x=1717978629; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ZRrbbmfiSu/2BP63DnjW4DEG6NF78sO5juRsL2pngJA=; b=k1kU8XQqt7ZqEgU04CXsNSJ3GyP2T78o2+NRSQKl0wNx/nrlz5y3zdczmxjWxWMcN6 0VrVn69d3W3elN5/c1VEjwb5zZTOgiJGSMPeftiYsxk+d9kVVb20V+e2o7FaWG8/VBQk XpK3X+krCwWvgePK4MsCKFjO9rSN40+MKHVoLoU8CzmXVjxjHhMDJp+lE2JhJmahDbwe zffkooi+NZNtoV0LEzWmMbM+JPbYkK+lYLzIAj3mK3ciSftRGok8sK0+19r4YViON8Ic oVcKp2Tm8OjagSgY+mMauXF3bNXCG/IaplnfqfvrEs66UCZHv8ZnK5xhfb1mjMPINquq UDnw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyP9xSGMgXeGkHdfvSW+4ylBqPclXI3T9V04WKIBMZfEKt7eTzo V01k/t9ZQZxjYTSW0uhHKUGAIbJz8KIHnlXji1EQwGfDCf3tH78BwRk3/oazVYWrNqIWuistRSS E0viwn6Q8EYr6beeGGPHvspfaMk67A9gl X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE6dGGtc3NY8mgISeaqLeY/b4jwqFweZNPK005MUatiCk7PyaxzZbRBgTVX+FKXvExGpua8yThEFaOll7h7Q7A= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:35d5:b0:419:f3f9:8ed6 with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4212e044bffmr68176375e9.4.1717373828974; Sun, 02 Jun 2024 17:17:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:16:56 -0700 Message-ID: To: Bob McMahon Cc: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000005d1170619f141c8" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] make-wifi-fast 3 proposal help? X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2024 00:17:10 -0000 --00000000000005d1170619f141c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I am doing, also, would be to submit to a grant process from somewhere - ardc is who I am targeting primarily with my proposal, but nlnet has been a consistent funder, and (sometimes), comcast. I keep hoping the telecom infrastructure project gains clue with their openwifi group - but far too few overall can understand the vision you have. I was hoping that now that enough people knew that starlink had gone fq_codel that there would be a rush to implement - but noooooo.... and you want to go waaaay beyond that. I think talking about where you want to go in front of 802.11 would be a great place to start. I was planning on attending netdevconf in san jose in mid july, the next 802.11 wg meeting is in montreal https://web.cvent.com/event/64f6931c-b20d-44af-a54e-4830fa2f7097/summary On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bob McMahon wrote: > I'm interested in group designing an open API or equivalent over a high > speed serial/digital interface to drive a remote Wi-Fi lower MAC, digital > PHY, analog PHY, CMOS radio(s) and front end modules. The upper MAC would > reside in the fronthaul concentrator and be remote, supporting up to 48 M= AC > lowers. Hopefully scale to maybe to higher. Basically, Wi-Fi goes point = to > point into the fronthaul concentrator, i.e. following the evolution of > ethernet switching but without the CAT 5 for the final leash. > > The L2TPv3 w/pseudowires used for eCRPI are an analogy. So is DAA of cabl= e > plant OSP. > > Assume the seriali interface speed is a minimum of 10Gb/s but will go to > 100Gb/s and then likely to 800b/s. All at very low power and guiding the > photons to/from their destinations with last meter wireless. > > WiFi control and 802.11 packets would be carried over this interface. > > Can't be a NIC/sun workstation model on these remote radio heads requirin= g > expensive CPUs and way too much power. This will also isolate WiFi radios > from the SoCs and the internal switches, typically found in todays' APs= , > which is a bit of a Frankenstein design the industry has adopted for some > unknown reasons. > > Bob > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast < > make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> There is HUGE NSF grant coming available concerning wifi, and I was also >> thinking that applying to ardc might be an option. >> >> Does anyone here still care enough about wifi to want to participate? In >> my case I would like to gear up mainly to get into and stay >> in the wifi8 standardization process in the IEEE, although I am surfacin= g >> to fix some bugs and try to make improvements in the mt79 chipset which = is >> thus far, pretty amazing. I am really pleased with OpenWrt on this chip,= so >> far. An OpenWrt one should be arriving any day.... >> >> Anyway, a start at a proposal for ardc is here: >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x2HBYmSJbMoVMbLzKgkOVSvMnIFZdJQE823J= lg0mfX0/edit?usp=3Dsharing >> >> >> -- >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBVFWSyMp3xg&t=3D1098s Waves Podcast >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > This electronic communication and the information and any files > transmitted with it, or attached to it, are confidential and are intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed an= d > may contain information that is confidential, legally privileged, protect= ed > by privacy laws, or otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. = If > you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for deliveri= ng > the e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any us= e, > copying, distributing, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of > this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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As I am doing, also, would be to submit to a grant process= from somewhere - ardc is who I am targeting=C2=A0primarily with my proposa= l, but nlnet has been a consistent funder, and (sometimes), comcast. I keep= hoping the telecom infrastructure project gains clue with their openwifi g= roup - but far too few overall can understand the vision you have. I was ho= ping that now that enough people knew that starlink had gone fq_codel that = there would be a rush to implement - but noooooo....

and= you want to go waaaay beyond that. I think talking about where you want to= go in front of 802.11 would be a great place to start. I was planning on a= ttending netdevconf in san jose in mid july, the next 802.11 wg meeting is = in montreal



On= Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com> wrote:
I'm inte= rested in group designing an open API or equivalent over a high speed seria= l/digital interface to drive a remote Wi-Fi lower MAC, digital PHY, analog = PHY, CMOS radio(s) and front end modules. The upper MAC would reside in the= fronthaul concentrator and be remote, supporting up to 48 MAC lowers. Hope= fully scale to maybe to higher.=C2=A0 Basically, Wi-Fi goes point to point = into the fronthaul concentrator, i.e. following the evolution of ethernet s= witching but without the CAT 5 for the final leash.

The L2TPv3 w/pse= udowires=C2=A0used for eCRPI are an analogy. So is DAA of cable plant OSP.<= br>
Assume the seriali interface speed is=C2=A0 a minimum of 10Gb/s but = will go to 100Gb/s and then likely to 800b/s.=C2=A0 All at very=C2=A0low po= wer and guiding the photons to/from their destinations with last meter wire= less.

WiFi control and 802.11 packets would be carried over this int= erface.=C2=A0

Can't be a NIC/sun workstation=C2=A0model on these= remote radio heads requiring expensive CPUs and way too much power. This w= ill also isolate WiFi radios from=C2=A0 the SoCs and the internal switches,= typically found in=C2=A0 todays' APs, which is a bit of a Frankenstein= design the industry has adopted for some unknown reasons.=C2=A0

Bob=

= On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast <make= -wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
There is HUGE NSF grant c= oming available concerning wifi, and I was also thinking that applying to a= rdc might be an option.

Does anyone here still care enou= gh about wifi to want to participate? In my case I would like to gear up ma= inly to get into and stay
in the wifi8 standardization process in= the IEEE, although I am surfacing to fix some bugs and try to make improve= ments in the mt79 chipset which is thus far, pretty amazing. I am really pl= eased with OpenWrt on this chip, so far. An OpenWrt one should be arriving = any day....

Anyway, a start at a proposal for ardc= is here:
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