From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com (mail-ed1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6DA83B29D for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id s10so14084834edy.9 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:28:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ieee.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=VfUGjxiP7NuDoxSegKDkee9Xbnl9GULVrzYlYoH2jfg=; b=DnFur0eZSJg98XlVhBQ+fQt0+yEzTn2c3HpDMBJ512V8gZq8hN3E6Pp0Pgm+SW3vOt 3v5CHnxKv5DCnjoCURC3SazCA5YZHZlQC4iafQAbfiPUHzcGHHy5h+ZkKzxnU1XupePC LFbPrlDuq/a5FOAUE1CmxLVlMglrZYu6DGLUs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=VfUGjxiP7NuDoxSegKDkee9Xbnl9GULVrzYlYoH2jfg=; b=GcucRqs3+pnx0ukzUWN2zELoqQAkmESphXEFEJrdwNIwkMjG7YFfhHvXyMIA1MHac/ +LOXyWf+zkodqfH1Erls8Dbrjs5Ix7U0ekPa5YxHJIFHwRTR4DqTTc4miu3uQpVumfwi zXJYUH/E/hDEzL++0IrR+q0iawHgLlMsvz+LB5gFl+6xEHBuGvn1Dt7NPH+j1kWhYNIx 1juVvG0Im83HGkG4IahlKUT/LYcFnoMQySdh+T/r2bONGYsI9bTnMSAoJmhQF2o55Mhi NNn5BzRy8cEK8P/av12bnwjkFRKq/00OYrBX2XaaFzhtKCoM6ZDzzjK9/L0G3Ppe3nJV GqRw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubMoqaIGLsrSd4a9YnW80iSxDVYQx3oqleV4o4RB4Swtv8oc1Ty lXWyX0V9Q7aV3O85AtwAWsNW2K2+aXdetTq+lk6CBuQ4mEc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLO1rFuBMotkNhoTNsz46ScODFvL2A72hJOZ8I5gtHVHe43EUtedhgZRdB6LGo2VOGQaDLSJ/vBYT7XLfdQ5IM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1496:: with SMTP id e22mr19700056edv.301.1588008497414; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: James Lepp Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: To: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000063a99c05a4490aaa" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] fcc vote on 6ghz thursday X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:28:19 -0000 --00000000000063a99c05a4490aaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The final version from the FCC vote is available here: https://www.fcc.gov/document/6-ghz-unlicensed-rofnprm Appendix A is the actual rules. I understand some last minute changes were made between Apr 2 draft and this Apr 24 final version - so don't build and certify any hardware based on last week's link :). -James On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dave Taht wrote: > it was pretty neat to catch the orbital debris talk! But I guess I > missed the 6ghz preso? > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:05 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > > > sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy comments to make. > > (The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed. > > you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location? > > DFS style autodetection seems saner) > > > > And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write. > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya > wrote: > > > > > > FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at > https://www.fcc.gov/general/live > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht > wrote: > > > > > > > > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points need to > > > > report their location to a centralized FCC database > > > > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm... > > > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked > from > > > > here: > https://www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0) > > > > > > > > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed slightly > > > > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote tomorrow. > > > > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. Don't a= sk > > > > me how long that takes. > > > > > > > > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes, see II= I > > > > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents. > > > > > > > > III. Report and Order: > > > > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands > > > > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band > > > > IV. Further Proposed: > > > > A. Very Low Power Operation > > > > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operations > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source maker of > > > > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't found the draft > > > > > rules... > > > > > > > > > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps and activ= e > > > > > ongoing registration into some FCC database. > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mhz-motion-f= or-6-ghz-unlicensed > > > > > > > > > > =E2=80=9CWe=E2=80=99re stoked about what the 6 GHz band can do,= =E2=80=9D he told Fierce. > > > > > =E2=80=9CImagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that=E2=80=99s som= ething Wi-Fi 6E > and 6 > > > > > GHz can accomplish,=E2=80=9D as well as produce latency on the or= der of 2 > > > > > milliseconds or less, which is why it=E2=80=99s so attractive for= things > like > > > > > AR/VR." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Make Music, Not War > > > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > http://www.teklibre.com > > > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Make Music, Not War > > > > > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > http://www.teklibre.com > > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > > > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > > > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > > > > > > -- > > Make Music, Not War > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > http://www.teklibre.com > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > > > > -- > Make Music, Not War > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --00000000000063a99c05a4490aaa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The final version from the FCC vote is available here:=C2= =A0 =C2=A0https://www.fcc.gov/document/6-ghz-unlicensed-rofnprm=C2=A0 Appendix A= is the actual rules.

I understand some last minute chan= ges were made between=C2=A0Apr 2 draft and this Apr 24 final version - so d= on't build and certify any hardware based on last week's link :).

-James

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dave T= aht <dave.taht@gmail.com> = wrote:
it was pr= etty neat to catch the orbital debris talk! But I guess I
missed the 6ghz preso?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:05 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> sure wish there was a chat window. i have some pithy comments to make.=
> (The whole centralized db idea seems very flawed.
> you want my IP address once a day with my home routers exact location?=
> DFS style autodetection seems saner)
>
> And then there's the 5G subsidy being discussed as I write.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:32 AM Harshal Chhaya <harshal@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > FYI - you can listen to today's FCC meeting at https:/= /www.fcc.gov/general/live
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote: > > >
> > > H/T to james. First reading - ALL wifi 6ghz access points ne= ed to
> > > report their location to a centralized FCC database
> > > via a yet to be written "AFC" system. Hmmm...
> > >
> > > more:
> > >
> > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/a= ttachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf (linked from
> > > here:=C2=A0 https:/= /www.fcc.gov/document/promoting-unlicensed-use-6-ghz-band-0)
> > >
> > > Draft rules are in appendix A. They could have changed sligh= tly
> > > between the agenda release on Apr 2, and the meeting/vote to= morrow.
> > > Final version will be published after the meeting tomorrow. = Don't ask
> > > me how long that takes.
> > >
> > > For the very high level summary of the four operating modes,= see III
> > > A, III B, IV A and IV B in the Table of Contents.
> > >
> > > III. Report and Order:
> > > A. Standard-Power Operations in U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 Bands > > > B. Low-Power Indoor Operations Across the Entire 6 GHz Band<= br> > > > IV. Further Proposed:
> > > A. Very Low Power Operation
> > > B. Higher Power Spectral Density for Low Power Indoor Operat= ions
> > >
> > >
> > > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/a= ttachments/DOC-363490A1.pdf
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:17 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> > > >
> > > > I just wish I knew what was required for an open source= maker of
> > > > outdoor capable APs had to do. So far I haven't fou= nd the draft
> > > > rules...
> > > >
> > > > It sounded to me that outdoor use required use of a gps= and active
> > > > ongoing registration into some FCC database.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/fcc-sets-all-1-200-mh= z-motion-for-6-ghz-unlicensed
> > > >
> > > > =E2=80=9CWe=E2=80=99re stoked about what the 6 GHz band= can do,=E2=80=9D he told Fierce.
> > > > =E2=80=9CImagine getting 2 Gbps on your phone, that=E2= =80=99s something Wi-Fi 6E and 6
> > > > GHz can accomplish,=E2=80=9D as well as produce latency= on the order of 2
> > > > milliseconds or less, which is why it=E2=80=99s so attr= active for things like
> > > > AR/VR."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Make Music, Not War
> > > >
> > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht
> > > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Make Music, Not War
> > >
> > > Dave T=C3=A4ht
> > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> > > http://www.teklibre.com
> > > Tel: 1-831-435-0729
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/li= stinfo/make-wifi-fast
>
>
>
> --
> Make Music, Not War
>
> Dave T=C3=A4ht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-435-0729



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