From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AD973CB38 for ; Fri, 1 May 2020 19:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id u11so6422940iow.4 for ; Fri, 01 May 2020 16:36:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netflix.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Bke8GDNhkktTEnK81NDXP4SMTXRhQzx0oLxTJg3JhH4=; b=fw9EAoD22UnrWLokd1vGN6pWTMWRGj09J780bxoNIS1mqyXCdzHX1nafK4NIec5cxr AEGHVOoq1boWV3M9IBWX0IfCqYEM1sYrpHFiFxYPNSe/QIapcribRIwcYAXFC2lfmRKr CdGBX1xXvcr9d8LiqnJ2ZDs2nzYpF7Mc+i9s0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Bke8GDNhkktTEnK81NDXP4SMTXRhQzx0oLxTJg3JhH4=; b=E8NzOftSLkpETmgO7NaxyVtzWv7B0bO37QGdQRqIAyJfPaLJs+pBtKL9Wz2cRP4ScJ f6Wv3W4toJYzPIYa9UvVl4KR9opdDsdwWGFVEjbGyh0oke5NR0C8iWvGQktZT2ocz8+Q POqkk8FCxwH3i91jIXFFDy9bb+KVJGLbC2XMM7+dTjna5OBrfiko/lIgYhG2KhvJgPvx mc91vzZ97xUK3QBWH6PlTFWd9W0bvXIHQ8xh9B4mqTxXJK8WRGkSPUqnxUC/FeRfXIbr Ibq6JrzpjVa3xGUox98V5c0PtQv8T301rQ4wjAb+Dnehq9XiOyRqzmMd01Hb5PYbr3F1 /XEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYrAaq1Zbxd0qKPIJu48YHaZkdG9SKN6ZChw3rvF1G0QZrRHY8X CroE15CA2oNOelJ84vBgU3LagSAMxc5A53e0GSafWA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIU+vCSJLoDue1/hG9tnZmc0u9qiiJyQardkEYZy5Jgy4YjLsUYiEa1ltbTnY1o2yX2umNg48k9VAs3pdDOgsE= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9604:: with SMTP id w4mr6202473iol.105.1588376170460; Fri, 01 May 2020 16:36:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <05410663-5E50-4CF5-8ADE-3BBB985E32B1@gmx.de> <24457.1588370840@localhost> In-Reply-To: <24457.1588370840@localhost> From: Sergey Fedorov Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:35:34 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] dslreports is no longer free To: Michael Richardson Cc: Sebastian Moeller , Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , cerowrt-devel , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000695c3a05a49ea592" X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 23:36:11 -0000 --000000000000695c3a05a49ea592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Michael, This blog post describes how the test steers to the server(s). Noted on the other thread, I hope to add the url param option reasonably soon. SERGEY FEDOROV Director of Engineering sfedorov@netflix.com 121 Albright Way | Los Gatos, CA 95032 On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:07 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > {Do I need all the lists?} > > Sergey Fedorov via Bloat wrote: > > Just a note that I have a plan to separate the loaded latency into > > upload/download. It's not great UX now they way it's implemented. > > The timeline view is a bit more nuanced, in the spirit of the > simplistic > > UX, but I've been thinking on a good way to show that for super > users as > > well. > > Two latency numbers - that's more user friendly, we want the general > user > > to understand the meaning. And latency under load is much easier than > > bufferbloat. > > > As a side note, if our backend is decent, I'm curious what are the > backends > > for the speed tests that exist that are great :) > > Does it find/use my nearest Netflix cache? > > As others asked, it would be great if we could put the settings into a URL, > and having the "latency under upload" is probably the most important number > that people trying to videoconference need to know. > > (it's also the thing that they can mostly directly/cheaply fix) > > > SERGEY FEDOROV > > Director of Engineering > > sfedorov@netflix.com > > 121 Albright Way | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > Very happy that you are looped in here. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > --000000000000695c3a05a49ea592 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Michael,

This blog post=C2=A0describ= es=C2=A0how the test steers to the server(s).
Noted on the other = thread, I hope to add the url param option reasonably soon.

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= Director of Engineering

sfedorov@netflix.com

121 Albright Way | Los Gatos, CA 95032



On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:07 PM Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:

{Do I need all the lists?}

Sergey Fedorov via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Just a note that I have a plan to separate the loaded la= tency into
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > upload/download. It's not great UX now they way it&#= 39;s implemented.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > The timeline view is a bit more nuanced, in the spirit o= f the simplistic
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > UX, but I've been thinking on a good way to show tha= t for super users as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > well.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Two latency numbers - that's more user friendly, we = want the general user
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > to understand the meaning. And latency under load is muc= h easier than
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > bufferbloat.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > As a side note, if our backend is decent, I'm curiou= s what are the backends
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > for the speed tests that exist that are great :)

Does it find/use my nearest Netflix cache?

As others asked, it would be great if we could put the settings into a URL,=
and having the "latency under upload" is probably the most import= ant number
that people trying to videoconference need to know.

(it's also the thing that they can mostly directly/cheaply fix)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > SERGEY FEDOROV
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Director of Engineering
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > sfedorov@netflix.com
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > 121 Albright Way | Los Gatos, CA 95032

Very happy that you are looped in here.

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]=C2=A0 =C2=A0Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IoT architect=C2=A0 =C2=A0[
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