Well, I was going to look at the eero...after all, it seems nice from their blurb... but $499 for a 3-pack? Ow crap! Way outside the budget. On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > Changing the topic. I'd like the arstechnica discussion to remain > political.... > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > > Jonathan Morton wrote: > >>> On 11 Mar, 2016, at 20:22, Luis E. Garcia wrote: > >>> Time to start building our own. > >> A big project in itself - but perhaps a worthwhile one. We wouldn’t > >> be able to compete on price against the Taiwanese horde, but price is > >> not the only market force on the table. Firmware quality is a bit > >> abstract and nebulous to sell to ordinary consumers, but there is one > >> thing that might just get their attention. > > I totally approve of people getting together and building things they > think the market needs, or merely what they think they need. > Ironically, in 1999, the designs I was shopping around for a "home > wireless AP" were designed to plug into where the thermostat was in a > house, had a touchscreen (and ran x-windows remotely), and sank > without a trace past a VC's glazed eyes over and over again. Then the > wrt happened. in 2002... and 15 years later, Nest happened... sigh. > > The segment of "makers", the essential R&D, ultimately feeds into more > polished products, and people should try making those too. There are > billions of devices left to be built in the next decade, and plenty of > room for innovation, and the best, not necessarily the cheapest, like > tp-link - will win - and it's my hope that certain values we have here > will propagate into the successful products. We're not particularly > good at final products, however. > > ... I had a nice visit over at eero yesterday. Their CTO greeted me > with a flash stick outstretched, containing their (debian-based) code. > ;) I was very impressed that they went from kickstarter to a US-wide > launch of their product(s), with enough people, and with a business > model that makes sense (selling three 2-radio diversity meshed routers > at a time to get better coverage (and improve margins)), that they > seem to understand the need for remote updates deeply, AND the need to > make things simple for ordinary users. They also seem to grok things > we are really bad at, like getting finished products on shelves. > > ... and I'm going to order a couple, 'cause their wifi is not as good > as it could be (nobody's is), and he said I could visit periodically > with make-wifi-fast's upcoming fixes. https://eero.com/ > > > the cznic team has already done this. > > > > https://omnia.turris.cz/en/ > > I am rooting for them, also, hard! They've made all the right choices > technically and it's (aside from the wifi, currently) the best chipset > possible from an open source perspective. They - unlike nearly all the > home router makers and CPE vendors, have a perspective driven by the > problems they've seen by being a registrar. They have money in the > bank, and low costs, and an idealism about open design that seems > rooted in the maker movement. I'd love to see this market > arduinotized. > > It would be my hope, that with another year's worth of software > development that their design would be suitable for more mass market > CPE, particularly to ISPs in the fiber space. (And that they will be > essentially first to have better wifi as I plan to get stuff working > on that board as soon as I get one in my hot little hands). > > A huge percentage of the former "home router" market is going away as > more and more ISPs bundle the router/wifi and other options into a > single device. That concerns me a lot, and the only thing I can think > of worth doing there is to join this org: http://rdkcentral.com/ and > encourage others to also do so. > > Still, there has to be a lower cost option (for which I'm mostly > chasing mediatek, and sad to have had to have dropped both netgear and > tp-link from further consideration). > > - but who knows - with serious volumes, on a standardized platform > that gets 100ks of deployments by ISPs, manufactured for the long > term, the omnia's costs could drop significantly enough to be > competitive with cheap crap, or, as in the raspberry pi market, a > whole new segment using more standardized firmware will emerge. > > I'd really like to see more devices interoperate in the IoT, as well, > things like making mdns scale better, ipv6 work with naming more > right, etc - perhaps this new wave of folk entering the market - and > others exiting - might actually be able to pull more of the pieces > together. > > > > > -- > > P Vixie > > _______________________________________________ > > bufferbloat-fcc-discuss mailing list > > bufferbloat-fcc-discuss@lists.redbarn.org > > http://lists.redbarn.org/mailman/listinfo/bufferbloat-fcc-discuss > _______________________________________________ > bufferbloat-fcc-discuss mailing list > bufferbloat-fcc-discuss@lists.redbarn.org > http://lists.redbarn.org/mailman/listinfo/bufferbloat-fcc-discuss > -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://www.hercules-390.org http://www.tronguy.net (Yes, that's me!) http://jmaynard.livejournal.com