From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x235.google.com (mail-lf0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF68E3B25D; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x235.google.com with SMTP id j11so103100961lfb.1; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:59:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QNfM57FV2BlUj97Z9wa/twPfOkXKGn92g1JpNacNLko=; b=Zoo21TCVsrjhENSPb+yQ7yLaRd5EKJ39TlsCEh5wpv3i/y1g8FFxhsFq5g2+yKXe3G 9E4rafOY1PXF6jp2dSANfM01YSp0fBIliK4MvIWvgAF0E/+76/GL7a6woizdqTRZvr3+ q7WM57TfIjPDy8w/ceMsVejYup0RlQErQIP5ebrGeeeNAyHT/ESJquRK0YOzdPIipxeD /j6AsYbK7Dqiwb0BIQ2iAPm+fnv0AN/yepecoLgZMG/iDWngpbZmZYRVy2G3UYJBRsW0 MKMcLmjjPJiEvIaigUTRHvP+Lmmx5rWJJbF9BBXQ8dnkfMBQQ4Bms1ShDokujDdMHJ9c Pysg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QNfM57FV2BlUj97Z9wa/twPfOkXKGn92g1JpNacNLko=; b=Jw6uBXR6mYhRIwmLOUGTOpZjj34SVjoJK9s6gf8KifRv98yQfI0mmXfT6YTNT7CgfD QQnUDOq1GKrS4fKNR7LuQND426cZkZxRzeKqQhUIOQlJktFXsZKpRNk85hmsH9prIqYG jWWvHGM0dSudZ515tWFwHkdV+39FxFfAJf3DspTn4gBJVjUBaylw4525KUzHka4zdQYq ujiz+BPNJ+f2kDrCnmwytVxhHfBG99+YPf+aSgSjni6Y/2AN1kCjduzDCopD7GAWap8c KDVbCAPLJZ14HRqW4PonLc7mYGWQx4hHAZQG8PdZcpmEarcA5KzsHUqD2mucQBu7wzSI imoA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FW2dtYoPAzhmxZOGsUP9vwYDk+0sQdW4n/+IG4xmfM97hMH8xgdvb/bYrSQI4dP2yLMP1KNT95QBUSRiQ== X-Received: by 10.25.18.217 with SMTP id 86mr5480872lfs.107.1461862776878; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:59:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.24.42 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1461849006.60252745@apps.rackspace.com> <87oa8tyhug.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <878tzx4zno.fsf@toke.dk> <4F01E09C-FE7E-4ADA-A142-656969C1A3CC@gmx.de> From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:59:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: moeller0 , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, "babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Babel-users] [Cerowrt-devel] perverse powersave bug with sta/ap mode X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:59:38 -0000 On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> Why not just sending IP multicast (not 802.11 management frames) with >> a higher rate (lowest best linkspeed to all known neighbors)? > > )I've always liked this idea as an enhancement to the existing 802.11 > spec. It is flawed in that the "lowest best linkspeed" in minstrel > decays to the lowest configured link rate for stations that have not > been sampled recently. Which might be necessary anyways because some of the neighbors might be slow. At least it sounds like a "non-invasive" change that would not hurt. Henning