From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x235.google.com (mail-lf0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 543383B25D; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x235.google.com with SMTP id y84so92647210lfc.0; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:53:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qXx+WBMipBLHB7rBKVf0UlON+Ze6jewt21bAswiTlSc=; b=lNWQ6VGs2iOrB3uagnjNUT6nnYWNSqmjxcRS1xGppci2UIODOe0SGyNFDkeui99Gzs miqfGkegCQeI9aItX568u7q+KPCsy1CKCTmLRrPhbqHdnYSu3sKhQQ/sKCgo5uRi3RPa o1eV3W/9PkEl/V5+t5lTsZjcZhbygqIF1aX5ft/D0pWl5DyZB4CN7SNuRi1snjiuhOF1 zEmmIdA4N8BqzhWZmCk2p8HwIWxuha7oLQeI4g1natrCI9LXanb9+fcBs5wxSTF6lYoF +au3+pB8SsfdHZH6UO8XCfsI90UKlVLTETzF/4Yl6tef7e6+StHY5ZMxFBk4k4CmfIqJ YjgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qXx+WBMipBLHB7rBKVf0UlON+Ze6jewt21bAswiTlSc=; b=YqNdO5SaIGxhjrkXhT+LJXNrGXDfPjugjEyhndYj+ZBtIrQT8FDDNdFyd5B1vPtGGA WHmd5PbPjUsLpz7iO9QruaW7r4sUx86TbrgzZU1AAHLtFEDVwOCqVL8+ojkw6Yg11xB2 vKQX4b70yyP8i4xfHrH1y7toYjArjmpkXsnZA68DNEAMzpZd0fo3wqC8ZWrKMJ1W6Hpa 3GM4hP3dqsMBaSe3ouduRFk6XLQw2v1b5OHxhKdClJJu5cFQZsrZz8u7gTnutwR6Kugu N78dQRUIWtKXzrZEvgdCQfHA8HvnaOvPvGSM3/0MltD32cv2im5U2kPzoW17nrNq5nn0 7N/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FW8L1Sr8fXbMroUrF+ZmG95zNGymaLRwMe0G1yEra46W+RHUxeuNBwNfe5iUHMzSbnQSeVIge+tyqnLDA== X-Received: by 10.112.54.132 with SMTP id j4mr6657992lbp.3.1461866035006; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.24.42 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:53:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1461849006.60252745@apps.rackspace.com> <87oa8tyhug.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <878tzx4zno.fsf@toke.dk> <1461853008.891910506@apps.rackspace.com> <7ih9el3hjy.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <7ibn4t3bhi.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:53:25 +0200 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, "babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org" , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Babel-users] Multicast IHUs [was: perverse powersave bug with sta/ap mode] X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:53:56 -0000 On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> 4) And ya know - it might merely be a (sadly common) bug. Everybody's >>> supposed to wake up for the multicast beacons and get a notification >>> there's more data to come. >> >> Yes, it's obviously a bug. Just like you, I'm not suprised -- ad-hoc mode >> and power save is the kind of thing that's never tested. I suggest you >> disable power saving on all your nodes and be done with it. > > That does not bode well for normal homenet users in the long run. Does someone even have a viable idea for power saving in adhoc or 802.11s (without forwarding) networks? Henning