From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com (mail-wr1-x436.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::436]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DBAB3B2A4 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id o18so4229551wrv.13 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=M0eFXWYacVbaq+0FFhojyeynQ/mADp8aLulKs9rivvg=; b=TdEiHXXqR/yfdgE2EmBta8d38tV5nFxoh4N1ENnZu2KYoxXJzRNfek3bnb5xmnUS54 /cx0RXwiLvaYiJUgXLaFvgR1AmoKDf/fCZmQ18naOdHWoJ2V7DQ88QB43BF850jEqBLn nu8Q/ur/uBYm0FcjISnSWjQEGdii8NbIPBQDo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=M0eFXWYacVbaq+0FFhojyeynQ/mADp8aLulKs9rivvg=; b=Xrf9U5RlpSQBynotGZsL7iEU3hnBBF+oBldy1nLbwZC0eTV0eYkmDxQKZStIWZ0gKO N0353i+PCrOtavyA8ossVDNHhCXHJ0MqvsuFN7x1RL6UrHpXgb027h7qzsIVZNZeGxz1 ELDbAp0LQmD8m24pJHs/bwlmBZy7TDcjPVgWT5/mesLPAI5CSggaLchrucmNRzDmJNTX ThtQDsfT242/geg59NwEppTLhJLGhhSUH1qLhl2zeLMy6bmqDyzKGFI+8fru2S7xX5Cr 2agMhPYvELNl8VKs4s6HHn1ViSJW8sHsKUx3sqkY1BM2R9bNAmlCijZW7CrkDIfwCr9j aW9g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXVfwy7ZOME0DwpkXfVUxgzpWcIL5eGqAFKWCFrIZbgYnq6DlKy bcxsF7HCwLQw6oXHktIKDU52TT/gWadYn8qoAA7eQ2IRjgw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzsQV3aI3yfv4X4vhroj3v0dhfHbcQoxIdjtuADc+qdea88QdncRqBUCwfxIYXIZF+zSycoeKDYH+58/fg8S0s= X-Received: by 2002:adf:f5cc:: with SMTP id k12mr7695925wrp.278.1568920221920; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:10:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Bob McMahon Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:10:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: Dave Taht , Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008273420592ecb4e0" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] 20 year anniversary of wifi X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 19:10:23 -0000 --0000000000008273420592ecb4e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For what it's worth, Teresa Meng (founder of Atheros) said in 2004 https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3D984469 "TM: There are three basic ingredients in the technology. The first is definitely signal processing. In the past two decades a lot of research and industry achievements have made it possible for us to understand how to transmit signals through a wireless medium, based on sophisticated signal processing algorithms. Second, in the late =E2=80=9990s, it became possible to implement gigahertz= RF circuits using digital CMOS technology=E2=80=94the predominant technology t= hat people have been using for implementing microprocessors and memory. The third ingredient is the opening up of the unlicensed band. Before 1997, for example, a carrier would have to pay a lot of money=E2=80=94in the billion-dollar range=E2=80=94to the government to have the right to use a b= andwidth of several megahertz for their cellphone service. In 1997, the U.S. government opened up the 5GHz UNII band that allows unlicensed users=E2=80=94everybody in the United States=E2=80=94to use up to 550 megah= ertz of bandwidth, as long as they follow the rules. With the availability of wide bandwidth and CMOS technology being advanced enough to process the bandwidth at this frequency, and with the signal processing know-how=E2=80=94all this created what I call the =E2=80=9Cwirel= ess revolution=E2=80=9D that freed us from the previous notion that wireless communication is expensive, inherently constrained by a low data-rate, and is scarce. Bandwidth used to be a very scarce commodity, which is not true anymore with the opening up of unlicensed bands. This is the path Atheros would like to lead: to change people=E2=80=99s view of wireless service from tele-communication to more of a data-communication notion where equipment can be updated very quickly and inexpensively, and basically provide a level field for competition." Bob On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:33 PM David Lang wrote: > I had some homerf devices, they were signficantly slower than 802.11b but > they > were also far cheaper (they were ~$150 for a card where 802.11b were ~$80= 0 > each) > > a few years later the 'junk' vendors started producing 802.11b devices, > the > prices dropped, and they caught on. > > David Lang > > > > On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, Dave Taht wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:46:38 +0100 > > From: Dave Taht > > To: Make-Wifi-fast > > Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] 20 year anniversary of wifi > > > > I remember experimenting with "homeRF". I cannot remember for the life > > of me what it was like. > > > > and to me, why wifi took off was that it had a strong investment by > > apple AND heavy interest from the geek community, with a couple > > drivers that actually worked, and because of the coffee shop > > phenomenon.... > > > > Shure, everything else here was important, too: > > > > https://www.wired.com/story/how-wi-fi-almost-didnt-happen/ > > -- > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > > http://www.teklibre.com > > Tel: 1-831-205-9740 > > _______________________________________________ > > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --0000000000008273420592ecb4e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For what it's worth, Teresa Meng (founder of Atheros) = said in 2004

https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3D984469=C2=A0
=C2=A0"TM: There are three basic ingredients in the technology. The first i= s definitely signal processing. In the past two decades a lot of research a= nd industry achievements have made it possible for us to understand how to = transmit signals through a wireless medium, based on sophisticated signal p= rocessing algorithms.

Second, in the late =E2=80=9990s, it became po= ssible to implement gigahertz RF circuits using digital CMOS technology=E2= =80=94the predominant technology that people have been using for implementi= ng microprocessors and memory.

The third ingredient is the opening u= p of the unlicensed band. Before 1997, for example, a carrier would have to= pay a lot of money=E2=80=94in the billion-dollar range=E2=80=94to the gove= rnment to have the right to use a bandwidth of several megahertz for their = cellphone service. In 1997, the U.S. government opened up the 5GHz UNII ban= d that allows unlicensed users=E2=80=94everybody in the United States=E2=80= =94to use up to 550 megahertz of bandwidth, as long as they follow the rule= s.

With the availability of wide bandwidth and CMOS technology being= advanced enough to process the bandwidth at this frequency, and with the s= ignal processing know-how=E2=80=94all this created what I call the =E2=80= =9Cwireless revolution=E2=80=9D that freed us from the previous notion that= wireless communication is expensive, inherently constrained by a low data-= rate, and is scarce. Bandwidth used to be a very scarce commodity, which is= not true anymore with the opening up of unlicensed bands. This is the path= Atheros would like to lead: to change people=E2=80=99s view of wireless se= rvice from tele-communication to more of a data-communication notion where = equipment can be updated very quickly and inexpensively, and basically prov= ide a level field for competition."

Bob

On Wed, Sep = 18, 2019 at 1:33 PM David Lang <david@l= ang.hm> wrote:
I had some homerf devices, they were signficantly slower than 802.11b= but they
were also far cheaper (they were ~$150 for a card where 802.11b were ~$800 = each)

a few years later the 'junk' vendors started producing 802.11b devi= ces, the
prices dropped, and they caught on.

David Lang



On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, Dave Taht wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:46:38 +0100
> From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> To: Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] 20 year anniversary of wifi
>
> I remember experimenting with "homeRF". I cannot remember fo= r the life
> of me what it was like.
>
> and to me, why wifi took off was that it had a strong investment by > apple AND heavy interest from the geek community, with a couple
> drivers that actually worked, and because of the coffee shop
> phenomenon....
>
> Shure, everything else here was important, too:
>
> https://www.wired.com/story/how-wi-fi= -almost-didnt-happen/
> --
>
> Dave T=C3=A4ht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-205-9740
> _______________________________________________
> Make-wifi-fast mailing list
> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/ma= ke-wifi-fast_______________________________________________
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