From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com (mail-ed1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42D893B2A4 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id u24so48105782edy.11 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:09:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RKyIYgMsjYp6x/zCtKC6EbGmfx9xMzM1FACGLAD7yz4=; b=fQQ0wf1BTjMBn0/1/xg9ENdavZgn64w5roeLj54oJnu+HlymFLfC5mOHWluMchvt4V 3uB8TE2jhoI0vLGnK3KyVy2rDTZuD5yrlBhwGHdNMckYoPeG5qnpQSvMruzteMl8Izdj NXt03lo6456AsiRn3PTpf6SRmtjXgNZMbvlp0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RKyIYgMsjYp6x/zCtKC6EbGmfx9xMzM1FACGLAD7yz4=; b=dEWyJBHm64Cl72EB2sEdiCOdt1kQ5qwsmrOTc0KTZCyZuCa1lsGo25nZI+4V6nYaHK 5jqj1cvP+W9ZHhOPla5vAh+trSnDEsoLDRIsBWasd+nZTSJxixueRlQHyhIFtahryMv3 gPNWEnVwzWvdg4tqjhArsEJVFtBE/d7b7TakOWgz2WCA4lfGgi4d7uPuHeFTDClZ+Lev i36PlKulUU2fMlflzte1splaC08SjBtIuBD9UtKb/ljdmODA3dhzciIXhK/8qcBIVTh6 dRGNJip2cE6l2g8Db+LyhJnrblyVdxkayqPV/LBxIjnu+g6ndIeeHQAOxwyyzJnRXzTs +EYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Z/TYT7DFkGgkuVEql3YvEI/B3foJrX/FVHFjm0QpUYjl3CE2x MPm4iM6cUPxwOg8FFrm6/3uDUKqoAIpc3UGDKJIOwgsKg2qfLVZ2T8H+aHj1sUlQGbmX/iI2F3C CVjAK/av65O6OQ0PFD1ITe4i3wfjU+YrTFzPrYPcPOA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy5okNudbrRNoTLQEmOM3nx89F80egW0ru+zbbHe4xSq+anQptebhuS7m/UA01/ni5uuDd0+oKWEbUw6Bc7eFY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:5246:: with SMTP id t6mr9116679edd.370.1623701340851; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:09:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1d6d9778-bb9a-c3d7-1ed9-47aca13183e7@timhiggins.com> In-Reply-To: <1d6d9778-bb9a-c3d7-1ed9-47aca13183e7@timhiggins.com> From: Bob McMahon Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: Tim Higgins Cc: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000ac2da605c4bf6d1b" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] linksys e8450 X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:09:02 -0000 --000000000000ac2da605c4bf6d1b Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a4f13605c4bf6d23" --000000000000a4f13605c4bf6d23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmm, I think measuring bufferbloat and calling it latency seems like a mistake. Sure, they're both units of delay, i.e. time, but they really are different engineering (and some physics) related phenomena. Bob On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 12:13 PM Tim Higgins via Make-wifi-fast < make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > I'm not planning on testing that particular router. But my new benchmark > suite includes round-trip latency tests using ping simultaneous with > running TCP/IP traffic full blast. > > This Chart shows 5 GHz latency for all the Wi-Fi 6 routers tested so far. > > https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/charts/wifi-router/bar/247-mb_laten= cy_score_up_avg/44?see=3DP_B > The results are a "Score" instead of latency due to the way the Ranker > works. > Conversion to latency (ms) =3D 1/(score/1000). So the NETGEAR RAX80 laten= cy > is ~ 6 ms. > > On 6/14/2021 2:24 PM, Jon Pike wrote: > > Any way to validate that? Or, is Tim already working on a test article? > ;-) > > On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 9:00 AM > wrote: > >> Send Make-wifi-fast mailing list submissions to >> make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> make-wifi-fast-owner@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Make-wifi-fast digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. linksys e8450 (Dave Taht) >> 2. Re: linksys e8450 (Loganaden Velvindron) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Dave Taht >> To: Make-Wifi-fast >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:05:30 -0700 >> Subject: [Make-wifi-fast] linksys e8450 >> Felix tells me this ax router has all our stuff in it. >> >> -- >> Latest Podcast: >> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920= / >> >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Loganaden Velvindron >> To: Dave Taht >> Cc: Make-Wifi-fast >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 22:52:35 +0400 >> Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] linksys e8450 >> Is this because of the mt76 driver ? >> >> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:05 PM Dave Taht wrote: >> > >> > Felix tells me this ax router has all our stuff in it. >> > >> > -- >> > Latest Podcast: >> > >> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6791014284936785920= / >> > >> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CTO, TekLibre, LLC >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Make-wifi-fast mailing list >> Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing listMake-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.nethttps://li= sts.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast > > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --=20 This electronic communication and the information and any files transmitted= =20 with it, or attached to it, are confidential and are intended solely for=20 the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain= =20 information that is confidential, legally privileged, protected by privacy= =20 laws, or otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. 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hmm, I think measuring bufferbloat and calling it latency = seems like a mistake. Sure, they're both units of delay, i.e. time, but= they really are different engineering (and some physics) related phenomena= .=C2=A0

Bob

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 12:13 PM Tim Higgins via Make-wif= i-fast <make-wif= i-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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I'm not planning on testing that particular router. But my new benchmark suite includes round-trip latency tests using ping simultaneous with running TCP/IP traffic full blast.

This Chart shows 5 GHz latency for all the Wi-Fi 6 routers tested so far.
https://www.smalln= etbuilder.com/tools/charts/wifi-router/bar/247-mb_latency_score_up_avg/44?s= ee=3DP_B
The results are a "Score" instead of latency due to the way= the Ranker works.
Conversion to latency (ms) =3D 1/(score/1000). So the NETGEAR RAX80 latency is ~ 6 ms.
On 6/14/2021 2:24 PM, Jon Pike wrote:
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Any way to validate that?=C2=A0 Or,=C2=A0 is Tim al= ready working=C2=A0on a test article?=C2=A0 ;-)

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Subject:=C2=A0[Make-wifi-fast] linksys e8450
Felix tells me this ax router has all our stuff in it.

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Is this because of the mt76 driver ?

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