From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com (mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 654423B29E for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 17:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5d5b1e33fa8so1217537eaf.3 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:23:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; t=1722115436; x=1722720236; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qQszaw3syOoHZxj7L8Mxb8uFiKrDUIHKislWeLMKBL8=; b=Y3V/YTgINDgMq6YHlRnn4u4Iwx6m9iNYA3wsX6czmV8KEAsZ5+1OjGW7bWYRcuk5bJ 8R015U/H+rMWZo6m+ozqdfxwg63EWTSysocFNW+u6CajhlQCy8RvekLqveTZISKSOSCa U23W4OlxIxxHbaGaL084jjm8lMfsuBkAnx5c8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1722115436; x=1722720236; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=qQszaw3syOoHZxj7L8Mxb8uFiKrDUIHKislWeLMKBL8=; b=cDAUyG7H834Msjh+kLEZpgiZ3dTqo5epZZVmfgO8yTHUVhd1keUAv6tsPdjObZJg9c 3ykpfSc41UsXN+YgQbkeBc/LBvyyhnOTx6N1/fyhaWIDPHgB75bWepMZ8+N+MqByWNYR MsiFdA8e0ZvSp4MdhcdbLwEMGeCBAXpXV0K8s+4iKYz6wl09BDHwonO5ziXNR6gA1+R2 WSIzsE1JBiPUXLH7u8NvoCCRaf1Kbq4rTEEPa9T8VArZ2Gb0gSv+TjIUUpS08ANOAjxs zKbKb9w/INv86g4iFAiMzxnuuJZ9OizSDccEyHTXxcgdw7e5+krAvcqiPCNnAU2dqAS9 S3KA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YysoV2PzfNzDYWO0Om59soGHaPiI4EomyRS8WZmFG1uAVSvNHnT GP+xe2r4j+Iqvj0kr3XTVpetDcoxFayzP5lI3q5RTGD6oWDWfxHFCyL+833lFkEjE50K0yWeMiW Dz7M1p2hMCEEVDxihV1EzC3WBHxt8dJurNKOhzCn2sIU/LkMqrsEa8pz9Bb2D+A1dHM6ZtpzFD5 jAFe6IHYrEqFzwomY9KBYRjr+RMb1BDx+6asFJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHIBDiQGTC016LeBAlQC7KaWQtKxPfrpdwBJt2FqdLhmW35px3SN9wshqDkMiBV7sAwEE0pjxhpS73Yc3KX3vE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6820:628:b0:5d5:ca4e:64e9 with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5d5d09e8020mr3808429eaf.0.1722115436291; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Bob McMahon Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:23:44 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000e004f4061e413e11" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] sophgo risc-v wifi6 chip X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:23:57 -0000 --000000000000e004f4061e413e11 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d7d51f061e413e11" --000000000000d7d51f061e413e11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wrote Cisco ios software early in my career (predating Wi-Fi and ethernet switching.) We purchased a sun workstation for $100K that supported compiles for 8 of us. Last week I built a 7 unit Rpi5 system running full linux, pacing CCAs, ip routing, bridging, etc., connected via a managed vlan switch for less than $1000. It's truly amazing that what was once a full workstation is now so inexpensive. I think a challenge we face is that these cheap SoCs are blinding us. They are good for prototyping but not for end users homes which is at around 2.2-2.3B worldwide. Then maybe ten Wi-Fi radios per home (using the term radio loosely.) Here, the solutions need to be in full transistors (and very low power and very secure.) The advantages of getting rid of these complex SoCs are so great it's worth doing. Wi-Fi doesn't need to be managed by a complex workstation and 30+ years of software bloat. It just needs to move packets well between a waveguide and free space. (The preferred waveguide is fiber but others will work too.) It's non-trivial the amount of NRE to do this and our industry to date has not even really tried. Not sure why but it seems a mistake to me. Bob On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 3:57=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast < make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > https://linuxgizmos.com/pine64-unveils-oz64-an-upcoming-sbc-featuring-sop= hgo-sg2000-soc-and-wi-fi-6/ > > -- > Artists/Musician Campout Aug 9-11 > https://www.eventbrite.com/e/healing-arts-event-tickets-928910826287 > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --=20 This electronic communication and the information and any files transmitted= =20 with it, or attached to it, are confidential and are intended solely for=20 the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain= =20 information that is confidential, legally privileged, protected by privacy= =20 laws, or otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. 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I wrote Cisco ios software early in my career (predating W= i-Fi and ethernet switching.) We purchased a sun workstation for $100K that= supported compiles for 8 of us. Last week I built a 7 unit Rpi5 system run= ning full linux, pacing CCAs, ip routing, bridging, etc., connected via a m= anaged vlan switch for less than=C2=A0$1000. It's truly amazing that wh= at was once a full workstation is now so inexpensive.

I think a chal= lenge=C2=A0we face is that these cheap SoCs are blinding us. They are good = for prototyping but not for end users homes which=C2=A0is at around=C2=A02.= 2-2.3B worldwide. Then maybe ten Wi-Fi radios=C2=A0per home (using the term= radio loosely.)=C2=A0 Here, the solutions need to be in full transistors (= and very low power and very secure.) The advantages of getting rid of these= complex SoCs are so great it's worth doing. Wi-Fi doesn't need to = be managed by a complex workstation and 30+ years of software bloat. It jus= t needs to move packets well between a waveguide=C2=A0and free space. (The = preferred waveguide is fiber but others will work too.) It's non-trivia= l the amount of NRE to do this and our industry to date has not even really= tried. Not sure why but it seems a mistake to me.

Bob
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On F= ri, Jul 26, 2024 at 3:57=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.buff= erbloat.net> wrote:
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