From: Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
Luca Muscariello <muscariello@ieee.org>,
Cake List <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Leonard Kleinrock <lk@cs.ucla.edu>,
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel@lists.bufferbloat.net,
cerowrt-devel <cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 17:01:49 -0700 [thread overview]
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We find four nodes, a primary BSS and an adjunct one quite good for lots of
testing. The six nodes allows for a primary BSS and two adjacent ones. We
want to minimize complexity to necessary and sufficient.
The challenge we find is having variability (e.g. montecarlos) that's
reproducible and has relevant information. Basically, the distance matrices
have h-matrices as their elements. Our chips can provide these h-matrices.
The parts for solid state programmable attenuators and phase shifters
aren't very expensive. A device that supports a five branch tree and 2x2
MIMO seems a very good starting point.
Bob
On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 4:55 PM Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> wrote:
> On 8/2/21 4:16 PM, David Lang wrote:
> > If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to
> include the ability to make a fe cases that only happen with RF, not with
> wired networks and
> > are commonly overlooked
> >
> > 1. station A can hear station B and C but they cannot hear each other
> > 2. station A can hear station B but station B cannot hear station A 3.
> station A can hear that station B is transmitting, but not with a strong
> enough signal to
> > decode the signal (yes in theory you can work around interference, but
> in practice interference is still a real thing)
> >
> > David Lang
> >
>
> To add to this, I think you need lots of different station devices,
> different capabilities (/n, /ac, /ax, etc)
> different numbers of spatial streams, and different distances from the
> AP. From download queueing perspective, changing
> the capabilities may be sufficient while keeping all stations at same
> distance. This assumes you are not
> actually testing the wifi rate-ctrl alg. itself, so different throughput
> levels for different stations would be enough.
>
> So, a good station emulator setup (and/or pile of real stations) and a few
> RF chambers and
> programmable attenuators and you can test that setup...
>
> From upload perspective, I guess same setup would do the job.
> Queuing/fairness might depend a bit more on the
> station devices, emulated or otherwise, but I guess a clever AP could
> enforce fairness in upstream direction
> too by implementing per-sta queues.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> --
> Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
> Candela Technologies Inc http://www.candelatech.com
>
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2021-07-01 0:12 [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2021-07-02 1:16 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " David P. Reed
2021-07-02 4:04 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-02 16:11 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Dick Roy
2021-07-02 17:07 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dave Taht
2021-07-02 23:28 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 13:46 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Ben Greear
2021-07-06 20:43 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-06 21:24 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-06 22:05 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-07 13:34 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-07 19:19 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-08 19:38 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-08 22:51 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-09 3:08 ` Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 10:05 ` Luca Muscariello
2021-07-09 19:31 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point David P. Reed
2021-07-09 20:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-09 22:57 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Holland, Jake
2021-07-09 23:37 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-07-09 23:01 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-07-09 23:56 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-07-17 23:56 ` Aaron Wood
2021-07-10 19:51 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-10 23:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 13:46 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Livingood, Jason
2021-07-12 17:40 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-12 18:21 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 18:38 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 19:07 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:04 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:32 ` Ben Greear
2021-07-12 20:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-07-12 20:50 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 20:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 7:14 ` Amr Rizk
2021-07-13 17:07 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:49 ` David P. Reed
2021-07-14 18:37 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-15 1:27 ` Holland, Jake
2021-07-16 0:34 ` Bob McMahon
[not found] ` <A5E35F34-A4D5-45B1-8E2D-E2F6DE988A1E@cs.ucla.edu>
2021-07-22 16:30 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-13 17:22 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-17 23:29 ` Aaron Wood
2021-07-18 19:06 ` Bob McMahon
2021-07-12 21:54 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-09-20 1:21 ` Dave Taht
2021-09-20 4:00 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] " Valdis Klētnieks
2021-09-20 4:09 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " David Lang
2021-09-20 21:30 ` David P. Reed
2021-09-20 21:44 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David P. Reed
2021-09-20 12:57 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] " Steve Crocker
2021-09-20 16:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " John Sager
2021-09-21 2:40 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Vint Cerf
2021-09-23 17:46 ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-26 18:24 ` David P. Reed
2021-09-26 19:40 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2021-10-22 0:51 ` [Make-wifi-fast] TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT applied to e2e TCP msg latency Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 3:11 ` Stuart Cheshire
2021-10-26 4:24 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2021-10-26 18:45 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-26 23:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 23:38 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-27 1:12 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-10-27 3:45 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27 5:40 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-10-28 16:04 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-29 21:16 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 5:32 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2021-10-26 10:04 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Bjørn Ivar Teigen
2021-10-26 17:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-10-27 14:29 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-08-02 22:59 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board Bob McMahon
2021-08-02 23:16 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David Lang
2021-08-02 23:50 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 3:06 ` David Lang
2021-08-02 23:55 ` Ben Greear
2021-08-03 0:01 ` Bob McMahon [this message]
2021-08-03 3:12 ` David Lang
2021-08-03 3:23 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 4:30 ` David Lang
2021-08-03 4:38 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-03 4:44 ` David Lang
2021-08-03 16:01 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 4:35 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:04 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 5:04 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:07 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 14:10 ` Rodney W. Grimes
2021-08-10 16:13 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 17:06 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 17:56 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 18:11 ` Dick Roy
2021-08-10 19:21 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-10 20:16 ` [Make-wifi-fast] Anhyone have a spare couple a hundred million ... Elon may need to start a go-fund-me page! Dick Roy
2021-08-10 20:33 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] " Jeremy Austin
2021-08-10 20:44 ` David Lang
2021-08-10 22:54 ` Bob McMahon
2021-09-02 17:36 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board David P. Reed
2021-09-03 14:35 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Matt Mathis
2021-09-03 18:33 ` David P. Reed
2021-08-03 0:37 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Leonard Kleinrock
2021-08-03 1:24 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 5:07 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cake] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 5:15 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 18:36 ` Aaron Wood
2021-08-08 18:48 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton
2021-08-08 19:58 ` Bob McMahon
2021-08-08 4:20 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Dick Roy
2021-08-08 0:03 ` Michael Richardson
2021-08-08 4:38 ` Bob McMahon
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