From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa1-x2f.google.com (mail-oa1-x2f.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13B5D3B2A4 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oa1-x2f.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-28cdd9d8d01so29512fac.1 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:00:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; t=1731546047; x=1732150847; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IrMejvxL3Swq9vmpypi+TG2L/uQCXJo3izntHWdZo8k=; b=aPreUUKH0Lu+KPPj98g8SVoxwKa8Zsj1/qr26TK15AJ8w/38arfm5o3KNgt4B55y5O r2AZsrH2SO6zbXtMymacIwqLixl49tZvGSMFCjaHSuA4w1qgEULSEaYQEz9Mv5K2qqt9 RrCSslnPFGG/0Wv6OLpRDA9XvELWlLjWvzlH4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1731546047; x=1732150847; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=IrMejvxL3Swq9vmpypi+TG2L/uQCXJo3izntHWdZo8k=; b=hlWMdj+AvtvyJRQgDmFSr3uMwZANfjoYJJlqL9wPZOFqlmiWhagn7kuD1E7Y73oqe/ fR+WjRQfaUdVbs2raxSE+DVz1ywBwbl0RE/rWxSWImu/HscDNQ+/SjaD12W5AeuYW6Zd sEnyO5Q/9n87RxdxWSo5yjxgFDOWzYiKTKRUFJjKCdbpI/bPPRT3MftmBilXNehcmuKD UUEyGQJUElW57ISn5FINjAxSjS09Eh+k4sh/xmx9CXK4U+zNmkEzCbhmhX/fHCJ+4+uY 4fi7rj304qDIGk/th0vSev4zfMs+zMdOobLnusMAmQjso7ufSqj5LESpuu3X6mWTVsFV Accg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyV6ChDAz4EKVH70gc//z1GT4F1zD6DUKvuG8nIJwyMLy/vXzVN 0336d0+kxm2EGtlGddT0ASenotxndbPv7veIWRdEZKlz2MOjXhZhsyq63YqSQPZlt201GP8gZZB FTtblIudNC//9O/nq2LeDDnCe9/BNgIgiDveCN7zPzl8AfMHd4KhVtdddExDt120/1aVa4wcU9L wpd8LZGuXSk5r/dSxeLc9ydXN/oa+W7zPuaNgU X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFrm8K79GHv60KOlx700ELy7HwKxtDpLnT1ExHFTTUAyh0YECMYMoFZoVeKr8OKykK4Gipyjine1B+VRQv+AHA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:7907:b0:27c:df1d:85c6 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-295ccf380a2mr9574141fac.8.1731546047266; Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:00:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Bob McMahon Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:00:34 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="0000000000001537f20626d4fb2c" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] wifi-8 X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:00:48 -0000 --0000000000001537f20626d4fb2c Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000f64da0626d4fb2f" --0000000000000f64da0626d4fb2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think there is a lot to be done with the existing standards for the devices already deployed. The challenge seems to be how to pay people to do the work and direct them properly. We also have to train a lot more engineers on Wi-Fi and drive down the admin costs that serve customer premises. Enterprise Wi-Fi is eroding because younger people are working remotely. There is no choice but to address this if we care about the U.S. workforce and our citizens. (Henry Ford treated his workers also as customers because w/o them nobody would buy Ford cars. Eat your own dogfood so to speak.) The savings associated with remote work dwarfs the costs of transport, fuel, corporate leases, etc. Our challenge are payment models that reward optimal behaviors. A lot of old school CEOs also don't understand the modern workforce. They're going to be left behind. None of this is contingent on Wi-Fi 8. Bob On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 1:16=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast < make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > https://www.pcworld.com/article/2518469/meet-wi-fi-8-which-will-trade-spe= ed-for-a-more-reliable-experience.html > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --=20 This electronic communication and the information and any files transmitted= =20 with it, or attached to it, are confidential and are intended solely for=20 the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain= =20 information that is confidential, legally privileged, protected by privacy= =20 laws, or otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. 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I think there is a lot to be done with the existing standa= rds for the devices already deployed. The challenge seems to be how to pay = people to do the=C2=A0work and direct them properly.

We also have t= o train a lot more engineers on Wi-Fi and drive down the admin costs that s= erve customer premises. Enterprise Wi-Fi is eroding because younger people = are working=C2=A0remotely. There is no choice but to address this if we car= e about the U.S. workforce and our citizens. (Henry Ford treated his worker= s=C2=A0also as customers because w/o them nobody would buy Ford cars. Eat y= our own dogfood so to speak.)

The savings associated with remote wor= k dwarfs the costs of transport, fuel, corporate leases, etc. Our challenge= are payment models that reward=C2=A0optimal behaviors.=C2=A0 A lot of old = school CEOs also don't understand the modern workforce. They're goi= ng to be left behind. None of this is contingent on Wi-Fi 8.

Bob
On W= ed, Nov 13, 2024 at 1:16=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.buff= erbloat.net> wrote:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2518469/meet-wi-fi-8-= which-will-trade-speed-for-a-more-reliable-experience.html

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