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From: Bob McMahon <bob.mcmahon@broadcom.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: chromatix99@gmail.com, bloat-announce@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	 Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net,  dpreed@deepplum.com,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] closing up my make-wifi-fast lab
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:46:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHb6LvqKTyO2D44N4O2QtHXp6t+NOc_0nQGcrwkwPzwtQ6zNtg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1808271431590.2583@nftneq.ynat.uz>

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I thought that RTS/CTS would handle the case of hidden nodes, i.e. a device
that fails to successfully transmit can resort to RTS/CTS to get the
receiver to reserve time for it.  Also, lack of a RX ack seems ok to
trigger MAC level retransmits.

It seems the LBT bug is the collision avoidance overheads when it isn't
needed, i.e. no other energy would cause the RX PHY to fail its decode and
the EDCA backoffs had no benefit, stochastic or otherwise.   Optimizing
that out is said to be not possible from local information only and per
"shared" spectrum.

Bob


On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 3:33 PM David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Jonathan Morton wrote:
>
> > So in practice, it's easier to measure SNR at the receiver, or
> indirectly by
> > observing packet loss by dint of missing acknowledgements returned to
> the
> > transmitter.
>
> Also, there may be other transmitters that the recipient of the packets
> can hear
> that you cannot hear, so it's not possible to detect colliding
> transmissions
> directly in all cases.
>
> This is another trap that digital/wired people fall into that doesn't
> really
> apply in the analog/radio world.
>
> David Lang
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-28  1:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-26 12:26 [Make-wifi-fast] " David P. Reed
2018-08-27  6:00 ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-27  6:26   ` Jonathan Morton
2018-08-27  7:06     ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-27  7:52       ` Jonathan Morton
2018-08-27  8:34         ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-27 19:11           ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-27 19:45             ` Jonathan Morton
2018-08-27 19:59               ` Bob McMahon
     [not found]               ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1808271431590.2583@nftneq.ynat.uz>
2018-08-28  1:46                 ` Bob McMahon [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1808271750490.2583@nftneq.ynat.uz>
2018-08-28  1:55                     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Bob McMahon
2018-08-28  2:14                       ` [Make-wifi-fast] deep wifi Dave Taht
     [not found]                         ` <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.1808272031560.20375@qynat-yncgbc>
2018-08-28  4:44                           ` Dave Taht
2018-08-28  5:43                             ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-30 19:12               ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] closing up my make-wifi-fast lab bkil
2018-08-30 19:17                 ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-30 20:36                   ` bkil
2018-09-03 19:30                     ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-27  7:24     ` [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Luca Muscariello
2018-08-27  7:39       ` Bob McMahon
2018-08-27  7:51         ` Luca Muscariello
2018-08-30 19:11 ` [Make-wifi-fast] " bkil
2018-08-27 22:37 [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Jonathan Morton

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