From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc29.google.com (mail-oo1-xc29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24A483B2A4 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc29.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5b9817a135aso2358051eaf.0 for ; Sun, 02 Jun 2024 17:11:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; t=1717373512; x=1717978312; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BNom08PxRrQOsSQcSEt4LP1YNsXk8tEv+8i+eKEhh14=; b=heM7BIk7yuoIqH7/pWbylimo6hn29ktXix83itLw3gfgh823odM3Rt9vhAur/xa68R duWofYyJBkZlBsoZIZ9zaKcWthw33fyVdTqpqjmYubrCz/44N8T9FttF20G6iY+htIUI L8KZoatTNCgE1FalknJ0OLKUmdTeaxzR8mxgU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1717373512; x=1717978312; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=BNom08PxRrQOsSQcSEt4LP1YNsXk8tEv+8i+eKEhh14=; b=cictG7wrNUWuOLpreN7wmQr9E7jPJWk0zCBI4xihMm3NDoI1EoqDcW8gR7bfFB4FHU WGNpV6YZ2jITjOM8Y/BAwpWJBU8r0llBObzj7eDbvnn11EB9zh0eC0mEyWWP+YCXMM9w EjhXh0PvlzgAUPmAvvPWOyQj7btwWNU8lRWpGA8oCAObtnGLttZdKG1aFIoNoBiOONvb OkHKVsCteVahmIg5RYRhe4pyTN8IE5G4wSi064nipML5Wmuh2Kk5r4ntGEXn4Cvm9CMt f2xqQxIOGbmHtlEGlg6Ys14KpzhRYhm2fuRrK8s1VB3sj7Z2pqSaRIhWVJlVsSKvf8K+ YVZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz1DkWL+pNN+bRWMHnqJ0+G0fL8hI0BvRa6z+l/LNIblVceKp/E 1HMbsNLUoGWy0J8Euwm8BS+d3NDhU57AmRwxUqBBDyZYXiXJtPSPVl4vA1ClPtq9+Jj0pjUJFOI YwkR3rOdyHDRnZbqqdJWsYG2UMcV5rSt70HcNKmrV8gwL+cw9E8mNQHao/rbKRDHk0IfOz4+hOe FNtsncLZxTzfz7sbgNmS8yaUQqj8cK6MQLwl1X/tHtGTeX2iQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEWaEs7i2g3VQ/t/X7q4nhMzGK6/5b8/D4+uqYCN0+XHGwQu8iYGRTGSso5fsU3R0Sz2syR9Cu3wvoveXl0Xho= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6820:1ad3:b0:5b7:3502:6543 with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5ba05ddbab4mr8273211eaf.7.1717373512078; Sun, 02 Jun 2024 17:11:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Bob McMahon Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 17:11:38 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="0000000000002b67470619f12ee9" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] make-wifi-fast 3 proposal help? X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2024 00:11:53 -0000 --0000000000002b67470619f12ee9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002283e70619f12e28" --0000000000002283e70619f12e28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm interested in group designing an open API or equivalent over a high speed serial/digital interface to drive a remote Wi-Fi lower MAC, digital PHY, analog PHY, CMOS radio(s) and front end modules. The upper MAC would reside in the fronthaul concentrator and be remote, supporting up to 48 MAC lowers. Hopefully scale to maybe to higher. Basically, Wi-Fi goes point to point into the fronthaul concentrator, i.e. following the evolution of ethernet switching but without the CAT 5 for the final leash. The L2TPv3 w/pseudowires used for eCRPI are an analogy. So is DAA of cable plant OSP. Assume the seriali interface speed is a minimum of 10Gb/s but will go to 100Gb/s and then likely to 800b/s. All at very low power and guiding the photons to/from their destinations with last meter wireless. WiFi control and 802.11 packets would be carried over this interface. Can't be a NIC/sun workstation model on these remote radio heads requiring expensive CPUs and way too much power. This will also isolate WiFi radios from the SoCs and the internal switches, typically found in todays' APs, which is a bit of a Frankenstein design the industry has adopted for some unknown reasons. Bob On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast < make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > There is HUGE NSF grant coming available concerning wifi, and I was also > thinking that applying to ardc might be an option. > > Does anyone here still care enough about wifi to want to participate? In > my case I would like to gear up mainly to get into and stay > in the wifi8 standardization process in the IEEE, although I am surfacing > to fix some bugs and try to make improvements in the mt79 chipset which i= s > thus far, pretty amazing. I am really pleased with OpenWrt on this chip, = so > far. An OpenWrt one should be arriving any day.... > > Anyway, a start at a proposal for ardc is here: > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x2HBYmSJbMoVMbLzKgkOVSvMnIFZdJQE823Jl= g0mfX0/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > > -- > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBVFWSyMp3xg&t=3D1098s Waves Podcast > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --=20 This electronic communication and the information and any files transmitted= =20 with it, or attached to it, are confidential and are intended solely for=20 the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain= =20 information that is confidential, legally privileged, protected by privacy= =20 laws, or otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. If you are=20 not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the=20 e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,=20 copying, distributing, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of= =20 this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error,= =20 please return the e-mail to the sender, delete it from your computer, and= =20 destroy any printed copy of it. --0000000000002283e70619f12e28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm interested in group designing an open API or equiv= alent over a high speed serial/digital interface to drive a remote Wi-Fi lo= wer MAC, digital PHY, analog PHY, CMOS radio(s) and front end modules. The = upper MAC would reside in the fronthaul concentrator and be remote, support= ing up to 48 MAC lowers. Hopefully scale to maybe to higher.=C2=A0 Basicall= y, Wi-Fi goes point to point into the fronthaul concentrator, i.e. followin= g the evolution of ethernet switching but without the CAT 5 for the final l= eash.

The L2TPv3 w/pseudowires=C2=A0used for eCRPI are an analogy. S= o is DAA of cable plant OSP.

Assume the seriali interface speed is= =C2=A0 a minimum of 10Gb/s but will go to 100Gb/s and then likely to 800b/s= .=C2=A0 All at very=C2=A0low power and guiding the photons to/from their de= stinations with last meter wireless.

WiFi control and 802.11 packets= would be carried over this interface.=C2=A0

Can't be a NIC/sun = workstation=C2=A0model on these remote radio heads requiring expensive CPUs= and way too much power. This will also isolate WiFi radios from=C2=A0 the = SoCs and the internal switches, typically found in=C2=A0 todays' APs, w= hich is a bit of a Frankenstein design the industry has adopted for some un= known reasons.=C2=A0

Bob

On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM Dave = Taht via Make-wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
There is HUGE= NSF grant coming available concerning wifi, and I was also thinking that a= pplying to ardc might be an option.

Does anyone here sti= ll care enough about wifi to want to participate? In my case I would like t= o gear up mainly to get into and stay
in the wifi8 standardizatio= n process in the IEEE, although I am surfacing to fix some bugs and try to = make improvements in the mt79 chipset which is thus far, pretty amazing. I = am really pleased with OpenWrt on this chip, so far. An OpenWrt one should = be arriving any day....

Anyway, a start at a propo= sal for ardc is here:

-- =
Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
_______________________________________________
Make-wifi-fast mailing list
M= ake-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wif= i-fast

This ele= ctronic communication and the information and any files transmitted with it= , or attached to it, are confidential and are intended solely for the use o= f the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain informat= ion that is confidential, legally privileged, protected by privacy laws, or= otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. If you are not the in= tended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the= intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, copying, distrib= uting, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is st= rictly prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please return the = e-mail to the sender, delete it from your computer, and destroy any printed= copy of it. --0000000000002283e70619f12e28-- --0000000000002b67470619f12ee9 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIQagYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIQWzCCEFcCAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADALBgkqhkiG9w0BBwGg gg3BMIIFDTCCA/WgAwIBAgIQeEqpED+lv77edQixNJMdADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBMMSAwHgYD VQQLExdHbG9iYWxTaWduIFJvb3QgQ0EgLSBSMzETMBEGA1UEChMKR2xvYmFsU2lnbjETMBEGA1UE AxMKR2xvYmFsU2lnbjAeFw0yMDA5MTYwMDAwMDBaFw0yODA5MTYwMDAwMDBaMFsxCzAJBgNVBAYT AkJFMRkwFwYDVQQKExBHbG9iYWxTaWduIG52LXNhMTEwLwYDVQQDEyhHbG9iYWxTaWduIEdDQyBS MyBQZXJzb25hbFNpZ24gMiBDQSAyMDIwMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA vbCmXCcsbZ/a0fRIQMBxp4gJnnyeneFYpEtNydrZZ+GeKSMdHiDgXD1UnRSIudKo+moQ6YlCOu4t rVWO/EiXfYnK7zeop26ry1RpKtogB7/O115zultAz64ydQYLe+a1e/czkALg3sgTcOOcFZTXk38e aqsXsipoX1vsNurqPtnC27TWsA7pk4uKXscFjkeUE8JZu9BDKaswZygxBOPBQBwrA5+20Wxlk6k1 e6EKaaNaNZUy30q3ArEf30ZDpXyfCtiXnupjSK8WU2cK4qsEtj09JS4+mhi0CTCrCnXAzum3tgcH cHRg0prcSzzEUDQWoFxyuqwiwhHu3sPQNmFOMwIDAQABo4IB2jCCAdYwDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgGG MGAGA1UdJQRZMFcGCCsGAQUFBwMCBggrBgEFBQcDBAYKKwYBBAGCNxQCAgYKKwYBBAGCNwoDBAYJ KwYBBAGCNxUGBgorBgEEAYI3CgMMBggrBgEFBQcDBwYIKwYBBQUHAxEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB /wIBADAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUljPR5lgXWzR1ioFWZNW+SN6hj88wHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUj/BLf6guRSSu TVD6Y5qL3uLdG7wwegYIKwYBBQUHAQEEbjBsMC0GCCsGAQUFBzABhiFodHRwOi8vb2NzcC5nbG9i YWxzaWduLmNvbS9yb290cjMwOwYIKwYBBQUHMAKGL2h0dHA6Ly9zZWN1cmUuZ2xvYmFsc2lnbi5j b20vY2FjZXJ0L3Jvb3QtcjMuY3J0MDYGA1UdHwQvMC0wK6ApoCeGJWh0dHA6Ly9jcmwuZ2xvYmFs c2lnbi5jb20vcm9vdC1yMy5jcmwwWgYDVR0gBFMwUTALBgkrBgEEAaAyASgwQgYKKwYBBAGgMgEo CjA0MDIGCCsGAQUFBwIBFiZodHRwczovL3d3dy5nbG9iYWxzaWduLmNvbS9yZXBvc2l0b3J5LzAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFAAOCAQEAdAXk/XCnDeAOd9nNEUvWPxblOQ/5o/q6OIeTYvoEvUUi2qHUOtbf jBGdTptFsXXe4RgjVF9b6DuizgYfy+cILmvi5hfk3Iq8MAZsgtW+A/otQsJvK2wRatLE61RbzkX8 9/OXEZ1zT7t/q2RiJqzpvV8NChxIj+P7WTtepPm9AIj0Keue+gS2qvzAZAY34ZZeRHgA7g5O4TPJ /oTd+4rgiU++wLDlcZYd/slFkaT3xg4qWDepEMjT4T1qFOQIL+ijUArYS4owpPg9NISTKa1qqKWJ jFoyms0d0GwOniIIbBvhI2MJ7BSY9MYtWVT5jJO3tsVHwj4cp92CSFuGwunFMzCCA18wggJHoAMC AQICCwQAAAAAASFYUwiiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMEwxIDAeBgNVBAsTF0dsb2JhbFNpZ24gUm9v dCBDQSAtIFIzMRMwEQYDVQQKEwpHbG9iYWxTaWduMRMwEQYDVQQDEwpHbG9iYWxTaWduMB4XDTA5 MDMxODEwMDAwMFoXDTI5MDMxODEwMDAwMFowTDEgMB4GA1UECxMXR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBSb290IENB IC0gUjMxEzARBgNVBAoTCkdsb2JhbFNpZ24xEzARBgNVBAMTCkdsb2JhbFNpZ24wggEiMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDMJXaQeQZ4Ihb1wIO2hMoonv0FdhHFrYhy/EYCQ8eyip0E XyTLLkvhYIJG4VKrDIFHcGzdZNHr9SyjD4I9DCuul9e2FIYQebs7E4B3jAjhSdJqYi8fXvqWaN+J J5U4nwbXPsnLJlkNc96wyOkmDoMVxu9bi9IEYMpJpij2aTv2y8gokeWdimFXN6x0FNx04Druci8u nPvQu7/1PQDhBjPogiuuU6Y6FnOM3UEOIDrAtKeh6bJPkC4yYOlXy7kEkmho5TgmYHWyn3f/kRTv riBJ/K1AFUjRAjFhGV64l++td7dkmnq/X8ET75ti+w1s4FRpFqkD2m7pg5NxdsZphYIXAgMBAAGj QjBAMA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwIBBjAPBgNVHRMBAf8EBTADAQH/MB0GA1UdDgQWBBSP8Et/qC5FJK5N UPpjmove4t0bvDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFAAOCAQEAS0DbwFCq/sgM7/eWVEVJu5YACUGssxOGhigH M8pr5nS5ugAtrqQK0/Xx8Q+Kv3NnSoPHRHt44K9ubG8DKY4zOUXDjuS5V2yq/BKW7FPGLeQkbLmU Y/vcU2hnVj6DuM81IcPJaP7O2sJTqsyQiunwXUaMld16WCgaLx3ezQA3QY/tRG3XUyiXfvNnBB4V 14qWtNPeTCekTBtzc3b0F5nCH3oO4y0IrQocLP88q1UOD5F+NuvDV0m+4S4tfGCLw0FREyOdzvcy a5QBqJnnLDMfOjsl0oZAzjsshnjJYS8Uuu7bVW/fhO4FCU29KNhyztNiUGUe65KXgzHZs7XKR1g/ XzCCBUkwggQxoAMCAQICDDGs4Qlq5OZK9mcDzTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBbMQswCQYDVQQGEwJC RTEZMBcGA1UEChMQR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBudi1zYTExMC8GA1UEAxMoR2xvYmFsU2lnbiBHQ0MgUjMg UGVyc29uYWxTaWduIDIgQ0EgMjAyMDAeFw0yMjA5MTAxMzMzNDFaFw0yNTA5MTAxMzMzNDFaMIGM MQswCQYDVQQGEwJJTjESMBAGA1UECBMJS2FybmF0YWthMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlCYW5nYWxvcmUxFjAU BgNVBAoTDUJyb2FkY29tIEluYy4xFDASBgNVBAMTC0JvYiBNY01haG9uMScwJQYJKoZIhvcNAQkB Fhhib2IubWNtYWhvbkBicm9hZGNvbS5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIB AQDBfX3nsBFRdO26im8lhOadVadRmV/YWK+U9OoGlTE+2MDsjJwO5p/Q6iaTUropqMRH1E+EIuhe /OU6a3/btrqzARE77RaVSdz5swXt7M4ciN+z44nIEx36UQIlFLsBFa3is/J/QLFhTUFFf0wLJsUO wyja+KvygH/E5TyfeXf5T2Y2wjGZx8jQXZMDmNpfANlEBYDfzCNYcAIQNox8FuPpEpuxWvv7jvxV X5dfkSef9T/DbsDM0PeTVMVyYIQoRSMBIGxVkaqp0MJglvQ2mU4CXcoOGgm6XC8LoLoEvYojXFKC fRgCOT5xeMR10UPSBQIljKwt7fPhpYVY+jTtOclpAgMBAAGjggHZMIIB1TAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMC BaAwgaMGCCsGAQUFBwEBBIGWMIGTME4GCCsGAQUFBzAChkJodHRwOi8vc2VjdXJlLmdsb2JhbHNp Z24uY29tL2NhY2VydC9nc2djY3IzcGVyc29uYWxzaWduMmNhMjAyMC5jcnQwQQYIKwYBBQUHMAGG NWh0dHA6Ly9vY3NwLmdsb2JhbHNpZ24uY29tL2dzZ2NjcjNwZXJzb25hbHNpZ24yY2EyMDIwME0G A1UdIARGMEQwQgYKKwYBBAGgMgEoCjA0MDIGCCsGAQUFBwIBFiZodHRwczovL3d3dy5nbG9iYWxz aWduLmNvbS9yZXBvc2l0b3J5LzAJBgNVHRMEAjAAMEkGA1UdHwRCMEAwPqA8oDqGOGh0dHA6Ly9j cmwuZ2xvYmFsc2lnbi5jb20vZ3NnY2NyM3BlcnNvbmFsc2lnbjJjYTIwMjAuY3JsMCMGA1UdEQQc MBqBGGJvYi5tY21haG9uQGJyb2FkY29tLmNvbTATBgNVHSUEDDAKBggrBgEFBQcDBDAfBgNVHSME GDAWgBSWM9HmWBdbNHWKgVZk1b5I3qGPzzAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUpG/4RP1YQA/iXGens9pIRe7CQxMw DQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQADggEBACfWLy4qJyCnOa3sl4LEDAMU/gmJ6LbclGE5iR4KanAmlAt92gzN 5lSy/iE+wsRrXiHI7YKFgXX1kVK/RqMiPRrw4hq2j8nxoSi/VFiyS3CsfVMGkbY7HBTlBvla/tH+ +2nJprlXbJyz1GdvoJAeam5RvTWotcCGAjZmMa3U3zMkszgXN849xe3dUK1DauUGiInXEwEdXDcA /0CVjL3EEMj+kNWcLhrSZKwFtxggUyMW3XWRaAeAL9wOtEaXYqlgbtnV0n9FuoV2TNm3h7Mh7rjV I2zM+IZ3DE+XFK7dcPwte33u75QyySNJ3UMZqi25CO85yl8Bmo7aWRm99N7HGnkxggJtMIICaQIB ATBrMFsxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkJFMRkwFwYDVQQKExBHbG9iYWxTaWduIG52LXNhMTEwLwYDVQQDEyhH bG9iYWxTaWduIEdDQyBSMyBQZXJzb25hbFNpZ24gMiBDQSAyMDIwAgwxrOEJauTmSvZnA80wDQYJ YIZIAWUDBAIBBQCggdQwLwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMSIEINbKpdPMX0EPzKbOh8sZ151Taj5GE/A8+NAW ecNjrpIzMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTI0MDYwMzAw MTE1MlowaQYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMVwwWjALBglghkgBZQMEASowCwYJYIZIAWUDBAEWMAsGCWCGSAFl AwQBAjAKBggqhkiG9w0DBzALBgkqhkiG9w0BAQowCwYJKoZIhvcNAQEHMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQCATAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBLwkR0r1s5fGVFoM15k8PGy6LWA5PeYBUhzyAGxUaGk1sTHkDqYntn siOEYsxcLGaBOtWvnm209qB3xWAkFpk0VBLg/dbuVRFog9DvIfVo7A1uEsHE3++aixf4Io7u4tii X5ZeGuOD+cuxqUMUYxGhrdHmpy1Qww7gj0N68mjP9JSwggBmXW/nYtFNYtEu5/3Z18YQ2jpIs44K rr4w0ovuqXRv8SJYY5+Z7V+j7xL1KmXSuGtpJ/+DmnbKo60GlNt7rK1to2ZLsRiKOQ/nIZh/rC+C 5HY9vhufswNnh1XZwmEg7Tkz/4DbhunbDkYfE1HdqhVmGCvGNd7fvGOlkA43 --0000000000002b67470619f12ee9--