From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ot1-x329.google.com (mail-ot1-x329.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::329]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADC273B2A4 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 12:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ot1-x329.google.com with SMTP id 46e09a7af769-6ddef319fabso2225a34.1 for ; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 09:42:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; t=1704822150; x=1705426950; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=hMP8uPGMXr8IcrKxyEuChbqGiSclsIqS6ald882dycs=; b=GN2YQt3/r/YOEqUqwqw2sVYk5K9j73bVPrCF1pPc1zJq3IQQsLCM6TnbdyPA4Px05u gZ8eo/lpp0PKcqiYjksESns+T4ZKExCcSUwzNvAybFx44I/n6r24vbn/Vb3RZcSo2p2e oy0oAJqDKAPBCtr8Jy746iSXe96fIMXr1jvwE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1704822150; x=1705426950; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=hMP8uPGMXr8IcrKxyEuChbqGiSclsIqS6ald882dycs=; b=ahCzCDJCodGDOWKNkbwiACHVwgcZb3Xypw2tCJXw4QJ27gKpj9Fyd10HTMfbn5/03f JJ5CGsGtJ4+JnHT5eLvlspOdeBV+zxlYhPCkLFoHtphg0+R2I+jZL5hZmC1LJWZiyaxX IUi8MY0x9C2Q3kVz+olRTyOAXlBDzpxj4Orf7V7eInB5weOabTzUfeWGHgv2oyWUgQvU 0EdOqdfEUwILS/RGCN07NodDEZMgACIMpjHgihUAnOKBElXgUlSH+OojyWRecAes2o6A ZRQOOO30rxP9+3sqeVEQhLysUJJBu7lv8tVTSqgyaNIGxLMQ5OcaoV+sPuIG+IPEdZro rAQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzhL7Uzsg8xNwEYAyvog+N07jDJtQPEOVr+XTxlLmxhKPd/HxZE FJD8EQ5Wq+vymdDU5yjO5Z+U6xYVf1ejyaEQ/3ocNjeiNgqYPLdN2jEdFVVKjr/zxJJyXeh/Tox 5ytTLESRq474XeUNDnwFZg3hNCCN5gjDhO/qd0XejVuCVImguvIYYPKQKgqA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF6kT9oCsh7E9zNVKU7AFg9vy8O0tXBiBsTXH4SnsO0B27xB9MGEFE455E9EwTeGOepxAx/LcZtY2nD+bV2XpE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:ac3:b0:205:c98a:992e with SMTP id ka3-20020a0568700ac300b00205c98a992emr6054040oab.109.1704822149447; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 09:42:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <877cki4vxq.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: <877cki4vxq.fsf@toke.dk> From: Bob McMahon Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 09:42:17 -0800 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: Dave Taht , Make-Wifi-fast Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000a8dc7a060e86d672" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] a cheer up tweet for y'all X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 17:42:30 -0000 --000000000000a8dc7a060e86d672 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009fa9cc060e86d684" --0000000000009fa9cc060e86d684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This approach is not going to work. Sun workstations as the forwarding planes for WiFi doesn't work nor scale and is cost & power inefficient. The WiFi forwarding plane needs to be all hardware and not based off of BSD. It has to be like a port asic in an ethernet switch. No SoC. Ethernet NICs are targeting servers where the workstation/NIC model does work. WiFi is never going to be the basis for cloud servers. Bob On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 2:56=E2=80=AFAM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > Bob McMahon via Make-wifi-fast > writes: > > > What are you expecting from chip makers? > > High-quality open source drivers, upstreamed into the Linux mainline by > the time the hardware ships, would be a good start :) > > Vendors seem to manage this for Ethernet NICs just fine, so it can't > really be a technical barrier that is keeping this from happening. > > If we're going further down the wish list, "no binary firmware blobs" > would be next as far as I'm concerned. Not holding my breath on that > one, though :/ > > -Toke > --=20 This electronic communication and the information and any files transmitted= =20 with it, or attached to it, are confidential and are intended solely for=20 the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain= =20 information that is confidential, legally privileged, protected by privacy= =20 laws, or otherwise restricted from disclosure to anyone else. If you are=20 not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the=20 e-mail to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,=20 copying, distributing, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of= =20 this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error,= =20 please return the e-mail to the sender, delete it from your computer, and= =20 destroy any printed copy of it. --0000000000009fa9cc060e86d684 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This approach is not going to work. Sun workstations as th= e forwarding planes for WiFi doesn't work nor=C2=A0scale and is cost &a= mp; power=C2=A0inefficient. The WiFi forwarding=C2=A0plane needs to be all = hardware and not based off of BSD. It has to be like a port asic in an ethe= rnet switch. No SoC.

Ethernet NICs are targeting servers where the w= orkstation/NIC model does work. WiFi is never going to be the basis for clo= ud servers.

Bob

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 2:56=E2=80=AFAM Toke H=C3=B8il= and-J=C3=B8rgensen <toke@toke.dk>= wrote:
Bob McMa= hon via Make-wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>
writes:

> What are you expecting from chip makers?

High-quality open source drivers, upstreamed into the Linux mainline by
the time the hardware ships, would be a good start :)

Vendors seem to manage this for Ethernet NICs just fine, so it can't really be a technical barrier that is keeping this from happening.

If we're going further down the wish list, "no binary firmware blo= bs"
would be next as far as I'm concerned. Not holding my breath on that one, though :/

-Toke

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