From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw0-x22d.google.com (mail-yw0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AC423B260 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 12:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id t10so53037584ywa.0 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=WVyPkDWrRkEd6L+rkXOaNkOeKBiNdvqJCNTkhGpMHg0=; b=Yf1//RuQu2Rvet/GXAVpAx1lI1FtGmaTeqmu0GTok/ol7XwvaYsT2RmAhjIXWNVyhv N8JfGtXQC5qoUSe1tHox5iUgaDfcAN0lGBdEGLuoOPQYzxVhcsidhJZvJDRf6GISVfYg p62srvtJjHnM7d28pC1AKna753Q+8BJIfE4gNtBbPHY4MnwHrSyMbuW+ZEhXJL0NtWkn Lhas0Cp1I9NWc7b5Vwpy8IqdRjf4FY9bc1NEuFC7rSlFq35hGT+/s8cxTsqdTHlA+sTB jH27ewX8MCwldPGs+EwLLCGvKNLSMxoMczrfDvoRecPxY2RsklQKYnADtwnUxlLkeshW Y4xA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=WVyPkDWrRkEd6L+rkXOaNkOeKBiNdvqJCNTkhGpMHg0=; b=Iu8AVhKLN4tMOw4lqAjyq2/ZgFNeWD3+WjUKoigMPbsEvHXvEoP3M8KXeKOt49OkB/ uncYoSg4dIucm5HRcVooPVsLIb6K4Y98Jm5UnRUFai/LhzgCGoF414gOR8fB4RnclEyf KGPKlij97ncIpfxg/6sikPeSizVExGHI7XZ031lRlEJ5Jwpo4/PdNh9QXWh/+zPFfBfH 5AZFC4949rYlG7Ln2PHYwb45P99dPQlvfYTeqQMUjntdH7r0rm6GsImfkptm9bVWRQTJ jy0VKAgEtlwZPu1+KIn3eSiFP/0wKVq6l7SSsEeHkVFCrqjjSIRL9v9PeqRyH17x+PVQ RrEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUjcX816TROzKAbdc98voBON1YCi/UQF1L/ksYZVgPehl5HNkmcl2cWWPc0jlyXApdR+cxmPDHVaEiOag== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.152.11 with SMTP id p11mr1982146ywg.125.1462982984469; Wed, 11 May 2016 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.74.134 with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2016 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <871t58n5wk.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 18:09:44 +0200 Message-ID: From: Luca Muscariello To: David Lang Cc: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= , "make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0bccd81a30b80532934514 Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Thoughts on tackling airtime fairness X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 16:09:45 -0000 --94eb2c0bccd81a30b80532934514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Correct, but in between that time and now a lot has been done in different areas but not much on this point. The fact that some part of the industry is looking at LTE-U is also because 802.11 standard is not good enough. On Wednesday, 11 May 2016, David Lang wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2016, Luca Muscariello wrote: > > It's surprising that 802.11 standard never considered time fairness in the >> EDCF. A reason might be the time fairness might be enforced using the PCF. >> > > to be fair, at that point the rate variation was 1Mb - 11Mb and wasn't > expected to change much during use. > > David Lang --94eb2c0bccd81a30b80532934514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct, but in between that time and now a lot has been done in different = areas but not much on this point.
The fact that some part of the indust= ry is looking at LTE-U is also because 802.11 standard=C2=A0is not good eno= ugh.=C2=A0



On Wednesday, 11 M= ay 2016, David Lang <david@lang.hm&= gt; wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2016, Luca Musc= ariello wrote:

It's surprising that 802.11 standard never considered time fairness in = the
EDCF. A reason might be the time fairness might be enforced using the PCF.<= br>

to be fair, at that point the rate variation was 1Mb - 11Mb and wasn't = expected to change much during use.

David Lang
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