From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qg0-x236.google.com (mail-qg0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC9FB21F9D5 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 09:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by qgec40 with SMTP id c40so114265367qge.2 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:39:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AJxiK+BwEs6EY1NO6cgIdsAfhmg3flnX1UcqaM4um9o=; b=aX0VsY38EMyFPDTPV7loiMU+7HJP/Z+RO6hh29LwAKaD7DkUdD2KmIVQXiAIRPIWyX c/nNRkPaFl+uS7FadGKfji6h4UHD534jKVLR8ZhXrgZgK5LYVTUovvFV+7m+6RZbb288 zuqoyBZ84D7rm+WVnlffl19lINvP1U3Uxk8Q7HLslub9MfL3T2Vyfffane4ZDR+lFf0c 5oxPd99kXieaU2gTkRzVMfKcAmc619UyauqhOq/6qEfVsiYhT826243HVJyHmh6O9N6Q fEMeAw9LI/UGidiyHvyRVbv73lr96qtDKEpFCtKQkYmg3qo29h8uD32U34y28RnVCni8 h3Mw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.85.147 with SMTP id n19mr27515378qgd.39.1449337190127; Sat, 05 Dec 2015 09:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.55.24.147 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Dec 2015 09:39:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 09:39:50 -0800 Message-ID: From: Lauren Weinstein To: Dave Taht Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1239660a04b05262a1c5e X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 08:43:00 -0800 Cc: Christopher Waid , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, bufferbloat-fcc-discuss Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [bufferbloat-fcc-discuss] on savewifi.org and establishing the value to the world of wifi X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2015 17:40:14 -0000 --001a11c1239660a04b05262a1c5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I say again, if you want to win this war, it's going to take pressure from ordinary non-techies in large numbers, and "*The government wants to control your Wi-Fi" *is the approach most likely to succeed. I'll tell you a little story. Years ago, I held a pair of conferences here in L.A. on "save the Internet" issues. One of the attendees was this quite quiet -- very thoughtful when he spoke -- man I didn't know, who sat in the back taking notes. All dressed in black. My registration data showed him as being from the D.C. area. After one of the sessions he pulled me aside and said (pretty much in these words), "Lauren, I want to give you some free advice. You're all approaching these topics from logical, technical standpoints, and the politicians are going to steamroll over you and squash you like bugs. Either learn to play the game their way or you're wasting your time, or even worse." After the conference, I did some research on this fellow, and learned he was an uber-powerful senior D.C. lobbyist who worked for (among other companies) one of the most powerful and intrinsically evil industries in the U.S. I felt like I had gotten advice from Darth Vader. But he was absolutely right. L On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > I had a couple meta-thoughts this morning about how to make the real > importance of wifi more apparent. > > A thought would be to ask various folk (or do a contest, or ask the > world at large) - to write an essay or story where they > > A) imagine a world where wifi never happened > > or > > B) Or one where it was made more illegal than it is today (or less - > what would wifi be like if wep and wpa not been adopted, favoring e2e > encryption, and responsibility for running open APs didn't fall on the > owner)? > > or > > C) imagine one where wifi fails completely (As it already does in > large cities and at distance, and in crowded areas) > > or > > D) talked about what they used wifi for originally and what they use > it for today. > > or > > E) What it could be used for tomorrow? > > I've done a lot of story-telling about what wifi means and meant to > *me* over the years... (and can easily do more) > > but I'll argue that discussion on everything from serious stuff > analysing the economic impact, the change in people's habits, the rise > of entirely new markets, to trival stuff like "how wifi save my > poodle's life", to stories like Stross/Doctorow's "the unwirer"...... > (which I remember reading online, it's well worth buying) [1] > > in order to preserve this wonderful freedom-full wireless technology > we are so in danger of losing.... as it's unclear, sometimes, what, > exactly, we're fighting for, here. > > [1] I would have loved to have seen doctorow's talk earlier this week: > > "No Matter who's Winning the War on General Purpose Computing, You're > Losing" > > http://www.online-educa.com/programme/agenda/sessions/com11 > > hope it was filmed.? > > Dave T=C3=A4ht > Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! > https://www.gofundme.com/savewifi > _______________________________________________ > bufferbloat-fcc-discuss mailing list > bufferbloat-fcc-discuss@lists.redbarn.org > http://lists.redbarn.org/mailman/listinfo/bufferbloat-fcc-discuss > --001a11c1239660a04b05262a1c5e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I say again, if you want to win this war, it's going t= o take pressure from ordinary non-techies in large numbers, and "Th= e government wants to control your Wi-Fi"=C2=A0is the approach mos= t likely to succeed.

I'll tell you a little story. Y= ears ago, I held a pair of conferences here in L.A. on "save the Inter= net" issues. One of the attendees was this quite quiet -- very thought= ful when he spoke -- man I didn't know, who sat in the back taking note= s. All dressed in black. My registration data showed him as being from the = D.C. area.

After one of the sessions he pulled me = aside and said (pretty much in these words), "Lauren, I want to give y= ou some free advice. You're all approaching these topics from logical, = technical standpoints, and the politicians are going to steamroll over you = and squash you like bugs. Either learn to play the game their way or you= 9;re wasting your time, or even worse."

After= the conference, I did some research on this fellow, and learned he was an = uber-powerful senior D.C. lobbyist who worked for (among other companies) o= ne of the most powerful and intrinsically evil industries in the U.S. I fel= t like I had gotten advice from Darth Vader.

But h= e was absolutely right.

L






On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 3:59 AM= , Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a couple meta-thoughts this morning about how to mak= e the real
importance of wifi more apparent.

A thought would be to ask various folk (or do a contest, or ask the
world at large) - to write an essay or story where they

A) imagine a world where wifi never happened

or

B) Or one where it was made more illegal than it is today (or less -
what would wifi be like if wep and wpa not been adopted, favoring e2e
encryption, and responsibility for running open APs didn't fall on the<= br> owner)?

or

C) imagine one where wifi fails completely (As it already does in
large cities and at distance, and in crowded areas)

or

D) talked about what they used wifi for originally and what they use
it for today.

or

E) What it could be used for tomorrow?

I've done a lot of story-telling about what wifi means and meant to
*me* over the years... (and can easily do more)

but I'll argue that discussion on everything from serious stuff
analysing the economic impact, the change in people's habits, the rise<= br> of entirely new markets, to trival stuff like "how wifi save my
poodle's life", to stories like Stross/Doctorow's "the un= wirer"......
(which I remember reading online, it's well worth buying) [1]

in order to preserve this wonderful freedom-full wireless technology
we are so in danger of losing.... as it's unclear, sometimes, what,
exactly, we're fighting for, here.

[1] I would have loved to have seen doctorow's talk earlier this week:<= br>
"No Matter who's Winning the War on General Purpose Computing, You= 're Losing"

=C2=A0http://www.online-educa.com/program= me/agenda/sessions/com11

hope it was filmed.?

Dave T=C3=A4ht
Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software!
https://www.gofundme.com/savewifi
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