From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70AE53B29E for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 23:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h138so14839959qke.7 for ; Thu, 03 May 2018 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UItCbud/7/JX1il+oLf537nsaJDzCl4M1eqff9BEu60=; b=eE5mqtR1mNg3WuySPW7WP8piJqVA9oYn4pCgJFQ5ge2VmG0qNrhCXNyIrV2T/xQO1u F6+r+K2na7sv+mDha0cdF4Cj6r2j0sUF+wCqoEPOnLEIYC8Hw027QpVo814aE8ttX7A7 dsCKdbOfgZRV0XKdl200BQEb604non+Z/PJ2a4tyx+WClMMslVrGQlHA+ZzipltuvsmC beI9hci7onSF6PwWd+CI2aILPTexfalvke6uHzMPSEd2HrK15BWBv82GOCGHVOXwx+46 QOSozoeb5OPagLTJoRIalA1O4Mb/XlFQF3g1SvgaUykWKXlPomcd1bDJXHyBnq2MjFUB jXAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UItCbud/7/JX1il+oLf537nsaJDzCl4M1eqff9BEu60=; b=U/Wmqdt3nAlGlMgQqdxj6JO+FmwBJ+T3BZCiM/kLqhIhmyZZKxthKzHF1P61QfqHnf G5C4dbLhCQilpcLFCUDfaJn/ooBerHmIm6nDie3KZ21EaF4LsrG2L7agsjiiS4mMaph8 P0JFwcNQ/bqdCvLxla0W2mMphkYjgzpFEiN6SrZLmVZYQhDVdvh5K4V3txfkF2QiuAkb bqQRcjFNbmJsVuFQmuCdXiFi6KZUKO8ChMVwkxWr3God4s+gYMHqlMcJRXaEgXfZ9zYP eswhUN5b4phOlIw1GYHSuuoIgAiNnBluKgsm+pr82lzWqKNepN8G+rSuzKU7svwWLSfP 8k9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAHXcmucZ0JHFwiTQ2JHlg09iBlwHSXAjItfRDdkBhY+lPmCstt SzaN27Lz1rYODsP2nlOoUbSlCmR4xhVUJ17HWzopZqe7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZoYEVRUr2GVRl7CzccXwraNnk95qOWpjBIVJ3uuxeS6fnnv5seMntk6lggaDLXW0NQMYI9I+JMIogDvCe9T+GU= X-Received: by 10.55.17.153 with SMTP id 25mr20266689qkr.409.1525402888745; Thu, 03 May 2018 20:01:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.233.79 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2018 20:01:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Aaron Wood Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 20:01:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: Valent Turkovic Cc: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114580a052b926056b588950" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] free.fr and fq_codel X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 03:01:29 -0000 --001a114580a052b926056b588950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" My understanding was that it was in use within their v6 freebox server: https://www.freebox-v6.fr Which is the DSL Modem/Router for the residence. When I lived in Paris (4-5 years ago), free.fr was my ISP. I don't have details of the deployment, except that it was very well done. Using CeroWRT and the qos_scripts I made only marginal improvements over their own configuration (not enough to be worthwhile, honestly). ~70ms ping times, regardless of the load. Virtually no bufferbloat. My write-up (which is terrible, and naive, but I was still learning about bufferbloat at the time), is here: http://burntchrome.blogspot.com/2014/01/bufferbloat-or-lack-thereof-on-freefr.html My current view is that all of the fiddling I did then was for naught. No real improvement over what they had on the wire. And vastly better than any other ISP I've seen (as you can see from the rest of the posts there). On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > I read on bufferbloat wiki [1] an interesting blurb: > "Free.fr has the first known large-scale fq_codel deployment, using > three bands of fq_codel for tiers of QoS. (it is also the largest ECN > enabled end-user deployment)." > > I'm very interested in such examples as they offer a great wealth of > condensed knowledge. Does anyone know more? How is this configured > exactly? How are these tiers of QoS configured? What part of free.fr > network is discussed (access, backbone, something else?) ? > > Thanks! > > [1] https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Smart_ > Queue_Management/ > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --001a114580a052b926056b588950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My understanding was that it was in use within their v6 fr= eebox server: =C2=A0https://www.freeb= ox-v6.fr

Which is the DSL Modem/Router for the resid= ence.=C2=A0 When I lived in Paris (4-5 years ago), free.fr was my ISP.=C2=A0 I don't have details of the deployment= , except that it was very well done.=C2=A0 Using CeroWRT and the qos_script= s I made only marginal improvements over their own configuration (not enoug= h to be worthwhile, honestly). =C2=A0~70ms ping times, regardless of the lo= ad.=C2=A0 Virtually no bufferbloat.

My write-up (w= hich is terrible, and naive, but I was still learning about bufferbloat at = the time), is here: =C2=A0http://burntchrome.blogspot.c= om/2014/01/bufferbloat-or-lack-thereof-on-freefr.html

My current view is that all of the fiddling I did then was for naug= ht.=C2=A0 No real improvement over what they had on the wire.=C2=A0 And vas= tly better than any other ISP I've seen (as you can see from the rest o= f the posts there).

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Valent Turkovic <vale= nt@otvorenamreza.org> wrote:
free.fr
network is discussed (access, backbone, something else?) ?

Thanks!

[1] https://www.bufferbloat= .net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Smart_Queue_Management/
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