From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F92C3B29D; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 13:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id h4so3403553ljl.0; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:43:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=+uTe6Y5YHUj9+2To6VwgnUAmxlPITA1JMA8VjfbtCi4=; b=IRqR9NXOtiyy1K1uCF8zJoleYlzn1ajRq8BWkIFQ9zLciytuWw7EP1MmnLwA5klGB+ 4NwLr6SLSOddAOZEAaaV2Tz7O9gcVGx7TS8xKe9K8h6Ig4TmIs/eKGikAP8GmTgEiLMD Uqc3iE+4xjokNGlUISE7hjud9mUl7yitdjHOQvImL9RlTX2bSgobcl2L+T9Md1+/xmyS Ycko28aauyG3fp9hvDBOzUq043wa1SX3T80l5egSy3eHAT1HGhPP1aAEdcVrSSxFRxbG 3Sl5C/82B95m3M6/SM8w1E5grJrphCrVe/QCjeZBCko9zQZ13GvwcDstrsu+oRdGdeOz AfSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=+uTe6Y5YHUj9+2To6VwgnUAmxlPITA1JMA8VjfbtCi4=; b=XgBC6xgSSj9MGSCcHeGWl0LZSEPBcY/W/qDffD4ZWdr0WOxeHCH5BE7/VvfH5v1pej FWTwnNRQcqsgYkP1qsB1BXxFa4krujoZTQ0JQ9YwRdO13QrYqCuXuHhhSiTeXXeotOjZ ucrVLu9MFU4WY42gnQXKM5VwvEY8lrFJzmVva81ETU03W7nSZIP8NksdRZUbYg/MEUkd VRDcSNe5RAUNu4+EQa6ZVU1T3+VLYHvMSkZFeHqtr8NnhpEyALQMKYTJt59bGPgZUEL+ YsQC+qtP2/R+Ks5qe7uvAVj5ySf6P+pO/Tt6R6ialWXM7Akx+5Qk6pscrKFvZqMxTZgT JXng== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533aE7lIjf9YN+1IsIkp2L5kKVGzDu2VjtKUlbUmKzYqDNAKwY0P znhtHjOkNXYS6+b236cfylw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzZnjtBG95biUMOqaBzaRgZ8J/5jgIYiY3tDPiEKH8gsSPB/EFKlEGmy3GSU7uluDWQQ/ai9g== X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:39d:: with SMTP id e29mr10784374ljp.321.1614192206853; Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (176-93-29-60.bb.dnainternet.fi. [176.93.29.60]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a23sm651632lfl.284.2021.02.24.10.43.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:43:26 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <2f30c201fce345658df9f2a5090745cf@telenor.no> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 20:43:25 +0200 Cc: Nils Andreas Svee , Dave Taht , bloat , cerowrt-devel , Make-Wifi-fast , =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen_via_Cake?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <874ki24ref.wl-jch@irif.fr> <1e41ddf7-cd08-4fec-b31a-3021f8111dc6@www.fastmail.com> <2f30c201fce345658df9f2a5090745cf@telenor.no> To: Taraldsen Erik X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] [Cake] Fwd: [Galene] Dave on bufferbloat and jitter at 8pm CET Tuesday 23 X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 18:43:28 -0000 > On 24 Feb, 2021, at 5:19 pm, Taraldsen Erik = wrote: >=20 > Do you have a subscription with rate limitations? The PGW (router = which enforces the limit) is a lot more latency friendly than if you are = radio limited. So it may be beneficial to have a "slow" subscription = rather than "free speed" then it comes to latency. Slow meaning lower = subscrption rate than radio rate. This is actually something I've noticed in Finland with DNA. The = provisioning shaper they use for the "poverty tariff" is quite well = debloated (which was very much not the case some years ago). However, = there's no tariff at any convenient level between 1Mbps (poverty tariff) = and 50Mbps (probably radio limited on a single carrier). - Jonathan Morton=