From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A5153B2BD; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hms-beagle.lan ([93.237.70.232]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTTKZ-1aDxyL0aWN-00SR97; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:40:54 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: <9BD140AE-D0FA-47B1-8BED-DE60E603F6E5@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:40:50 +0100 Cc: David Lang , make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, bufferbloat-fcc-discuss , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9BD140AE-D0FA-47B1-8BED-DE60E603F6E5@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Niysh4NzrBdZHNXXu1iryMIDsBUMYoZt50683bYY4n9qTvwtx33 jXUI3hObTY0iiLn5EgGh5ciOZB42Ju6PwMo95rSXm2rL02xQMjgLCc1KfyenySF8Tj67kR1 zbUbRlEHZy280RddzIpxw8qGaF7tNjmHvXcW8jXg+S4yCm9vV6esP5OP2ebZPFMd6rqb9G5 odBErzt/v9hxUSjidOruw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:e3ffcb3ERcg=:jyaB6zrFCPrhJXlDonGMbK Wz04BMx+vreGQi8AXgZC+eCVzajQwwlAxX3i4kOZMhtvORA9V9bjh1aX/J/krw+FPLzEO8rA0 D0v8gsFd2uUCgzrSEZaLPDrtAz+ZU0LOR3BR+ggQ2YEaP86Ouq7k7uxf79nzMJsSwrW0W1+KG 4zEOv1fSxyMefzLJDZpCrdG+PYONtyZDemwa8gsSkRQ0JxmaDkUzyi/AqSOEO3PCo2jE/aPEL umpDw2s99Ovx6I4xC8LSHdzw4cnaP5KtaosnKX/7J+cbP/rOmIyHQgf3bdcGTf7iEA+p6Iofe KjSXExuToBA0Bop2zelnPquDPWrbwY7EdtmYUg4eSlP+EGTNInEMjbMV49BGqDUVCyjRNla6B KXemDQpsDvD+w955bsa8/WnPPNSrRZ/zxcYJLFSNmmIOM9UBwUmmHANGaSuil48A9XtCcKVGU AARkYlO9DnnQD+Y7Pvobyj1YKjJEM3ff2TqLFom/i+dRem1xD53CYhg8748kvbKFPQvxOitGm YehtHVlJcdsWX/VwYo29JRDA0IZ2BfsLaQ0kYh5gaNX5HHB8IspvB2zESzxVeMG3bt/Uec+7D cD328+uaoVWvjPxGeJYiOo+iuFCMLPtZJ28YvGJYLpXY7fhqeoEqyKIRDGIRetQTpQCYIXFBa qnaaV5ZAcqW2+O4KAvKxx0C85V+mM6f4HbZUrHqshVTjRKBzRKhxiHcTE7z3C/UPqhIAN7p/T NDOb3dk+j/SFXudAj96gSEv0WBhsd62nqHjIJL187d508EnHcdzN3cKim8CaxnfYcAkdE0986 KcmlZK/ Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] arstechnica confirms tp-link router lockdown X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 17:41:10 -0000 Hi Jonathan, > On Mar 13, 2016, at 16:18 , Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On 13 Mar, 2016, at 02:15, David Lang wrote: >>=20 >> my point is that you can use a browser interface to mock-up what you = would do on your local display without having to build custom hardware. = Yes, it would mean you have to work with javascript/etc to build this = mockup, but it would let you create a bitmap image with buttons/etc that = will work the same way that your physical device would, but be able to = tinker with things that would require hardware changes if it was a = physical device (different screen sizes, button placements, etc) >=20 > And my point is that if I can do that *without* involving a browser, = so much the better. Given my existing experience, I can probably do it = *easier* in something like C and Xlib (yes, really) than in a browser. >=20 > Yes, it would be a pure software mockup, and thus still easy to = change. >=20 >> a 6x8 font on a 2.7" screen is unreadable for many people, this is = about an 11pt font on something that is not at your optimum reading = distance. >=20 > The display I linked has basically the same pixel density as a = 1980s/1990s Macintosh display, a 9-pin dot-matrix printer, and a basic = Nokia phone - the standard 72dpi. Anyone with standard visual acuity = should be able to read 8-pixel-high text on it. Your concern would be = limited to that segment of the population who already needs to buy = large-print books and newspapers. >=20 > The most important text wouldn=E2=80=99t be 6x8 - I included that stat = only to contrast it with the 16x2 cell text-only display. Since it=E2=80=99= s a graphical display, we can use larger fonts where desired. >=20 > Incidentally, the classic Nokia phones seem to use a proportional font = which is 5x7 on average. =20 Please note that the classic Nokia phone is dead as a doornail = as far as popularity is concerned; that might speak against their ease = of use compared with touch screen =E2=80=9Csmart phones=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6 = (take home message might simply be =E2=80=9Caim for a touch screen=E2=80=9D= ) > They sold many millions, probably because they designed a UI that even = my mother could be coached into learning (believe me, that=E2=80=99s a = feat). Up, down, select, cancel, and a numeric keypad. The size of the = text on the screen doesn=E2=80=99t seem to have been a factor. The keypad is sort of helpful to put in say IP addresses (or = passwords with a T9 like numerical hash for words system). I have used = old HP on printer interfaces to configure IP networking, not an = experience I would recommend to emulate (not that you are doing tis, but = please keep the failures of old in mind when designing your system). >=20 >> OLEDs do color as well. >=20 > The ones that do colour are even more expensive than the mono ones. = Increasing the size of an OLED display also seems to be incredibly = expensive - I couldn=E2=80=99t even find one at 2.7=E2=80=9D or larger = on the =E2=80=9Cmaker kit=E2=80=9D sites, only as raw components. That reminds me a bit of https://www.securifi.com/almondplus >=20 >> don't forget that you also have to have buttons/switches to go along = with the display. don't assume that people are going to have a spare USB = keyboard around to plug in. >>=20 >> There is a substantial population who's only computers are tablets, = phones, TVs, and other non-traditional devices, but who need wifi to use = them. >=20 > Keyboard, mouse, xbox/ps4/wii controller - don=E2=80=99t care. = They=E2=80=99ll either have at least one of those (basic models are = cheap), or we can auto-generate a basic working configuration and = display the resulting wifi SSID/password on the screen. The only button = needed is a factory-reset. >=20 > If they don=E2=80=99t have anything with an Ethernet connection, they = would have difficulty configuring most existing routers from the = factory-reset state anyway. > I just made a brief search for WPS on my Android phone - no dice. = Apparently there *is* a WPS function, but it=E2=80=99s buried four = layers deep in the UI, behind an =E2=80=9Cadvanced=E2=80=9D option^W^W = =E2=80=9Cbeware of the leopard=E2=80=9D sign - and it=E2=80=99s = potentially in a different place on each device, making it hard to give = directions remotely. >=20 > But with the wifi SSID and password visible on-screen, we wouldn=E2=80=99= t need WPS. That=E2=80=99s something an ordinary router can=E2=80=99t = do. Well, a lot of ISP supplied routers have a sticker on the back = giving exactly the information (in addition to the password for the = web-gui), your alternative would make it easier to change the password = and/or SSID; but while the password could be randomized, I envision user = unhappiness with randomized SSIDs=E2=80=A6 ;) Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > - Jonathan Morton >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel