From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30F5E3B2A4; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 13:43:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1659980614; bh=39i+Ok9o1SnBHq5LswvbF47DC+urRHDbZVYlK1qryjQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=TQS2ZaPllph4K5wWiAaBKJNNEq90uliTPSHt680e2O6aMFwzlehwJsPX+kVWzYY0K udfHTjBRRyJ510bd0IO7YCoqs1MReZmhOk/KL+jPfxOwfRr6LbQnwSkTA6yluRIiTp tqIyPkFKgLl7PbaJow7OnA3MtLReFXZOVY73JzXY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([77.6.163.164]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MwfWa-1nSjmu07mU-00y8ax; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 19:43:34 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 19:43:32 +0200 Cc: Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:M2FULfeaNKAAN45lwwUonYh+TBgK1Fm7+F0H3LJVt5Enw6x7ezE tRA8qyeKpxYkIdtZLWtGaotMxVpDFvoXuZ6H8eQGcSpk2IJhEHAcSuOgFcYN8iFca2oamsG 8McMsGgJECRyWwSoYPcX9o6hg8bh3e2mluHspv3Q7JoTJaokBGY1Ev1col8VAjh1W18e5Jf 2q/M3YP2DE79Vsuh2yx7w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:x8HV3sR7zyU=:DplD8FOqYD1+KqUy1CQ0Xx 1XKZmDtVjZIVXf1dMN7xdkpsEVhyQop+d2NaFLI5GpVIC8+X+vdMfyfW+Ccle97lCn63F2DqE EtaigldBQcobr91QFRutsvJF1I2+x0AHwLmCVdaTGfZcP7mXj+2AMU2fkLw+sB5cTm7JqazcU W8NJLwq6n2r8+qRKNnrJ+EP1cc0RMItKub9jgT8hGaDFGTR88ShhhhcqliUeZ+MT88lI7jOID YwKKU+TMpz1m07EGb7e8dOFPGEdQrc0PyxRdqFQxT9rOeo8wCc8jku5BG4Gnt8/zAOduDNXaP Ry/qflzOUCZwVuOtGVBf9uun9NLTy751oBB3/hyI21BbsQjbRW/3G6Eyb22Zdtw7UV8SrjryI xh8EcvkvI7YuobK1qlooFlRmqcEIwtznTcFa5DudbMZHziqpZ91UpyeBvSw5/cuRheWnEfnhn 1K2Oo26V58wj5Nto4MQzJcoGgEntbuRyHozq9QFHiUgNwXayZpBlWWAZuw0ZNBOCG86Z5Tap0 zTXD07c8YXSKbHWbviUP0bqRnxA0oKyixxhySCR1NiJpHoSvRP+3EnHNALv34wUOLtUYdoMw8 xj/MVvGs0uffU41tr4yEZXXZxklmCPYOByBv8hf5+wBiUD8kZ5CeMowiR8K+uHIjxnSRLXrYn A+5kwVCo0vh3wGyweTd0y15EV6t45k6J/gMxPKfaOjB8jaZ5h19V6HAfDzyoEkEbCAiweb2j5 tIEcSuWFNhiwI51EOVgcy1JdscqX7IDOVjy9kzZzuyCHiDCh2QSPm7SmqD9udTHEaf2UIoJs9 xxK/TYT5pGaMcoVvQhBTjWksivlaqiIiVav0DHC+ZS4rdExHMYDGoAo4wCRLudZPY6NBP1nUC qXXm7AXGVXL7mFp4bT2cjuCpck3U3v+f/h7Nxi2sEtIeweUjIHXEY4AiTGMcfl97+tSLCbzTx 6XBIdaFn0m+X0XycXbv0L5XtrIJgfR3svvJehmh6Xr5aQ/xUVHN2FMe9CaYA14aYefuUuitL0 z2Mi8/0cJS5Sw8pVYu2BXE7IjUWiaMclVujxGz/sJiTCio12kjp9x/xUlWBBfpix2sff42Ycx k94ybAUaNefgYfck09MMSE0Qs/kyzEAESh7bHDnhwTq2ygsW+SHGP2Vvg== Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] VI vs BE on wifi X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 17:43:36 -0000 Hi Dave, in all fairness it depends a bit on the station AP combination how much = AC_BE traffic gets hit. But essentially this graph (or rather similar = graphs fro my own testing a few years back) convinced me that selecting = the "L4S" DSCP to ensure mapping into AC_VI is massively misguided, to = be friendly. (This also nicely illustrates the folly of = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8325 Mapping Diffserv to IEEE = 802.11, which does not seem to cite even a single reference showing data = that the proposed scheme actually survives a contact with the existing = WiFi gear in the field)... > On Aug 8, 2022, at 19:03, Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast = wrote: >=20 > = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/reducing-multiplexing-latencies-still-further-= in-wifi/133605/32 >=20 > If you squint, you can see what's left of the BE defaults when = competing with VI >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FQ World Domination pending: = https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast