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From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: moeller0 <moeller0@gmx.de>
Cc: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Thoughts on tackling airtime fairness
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 16:25:22 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1605111621350.10546@nftneq.ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B07A9945-DE02-48DE-9C3B-1039C1A4062B@gmx.de>

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On Wed, 11 May 2016, moeller0 wrote:

>> On May 11, 2016, at 17:15 , Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
>>
>> David Lang <david@lang.hm> writes:
>>>
>>> Take retransmissions as an example. They only happen because the
>>> receiver didn't see them. If you were to get an aircap off the same
>>> antenna as the receiver, you also wouldn't see them and therefor could
>>> not account for them. In the real world, you are doing the aircap from
>>> a different device, with a different antenna so what you see will be
>>> even more different. Now think about the normal case where you have
>>> two stations taking in two very different locations and one device to
>>> do the aircap.
>>>
>>> If we don't have anything else, aircaps are what we have to fall back
>>> on, but we need to realize how much we can't see at that point.
>>
>> Hmm, hadn't thought of that. Damn. Well, guess we'll have to trust the
>> driver (or make it trustworthy if we can’t).
>
> 	This issue seems surmountable, just make sure the air-capping machine is a) located halfway between the other two hosts in question and b) has better antennas ;) . It should be possible to “degrade” the antenna quality of the two hosts to make sure the air-capper (sounds like a fancy whale species) has better RF visibility…

better antennas on the aircap machine doesn't solve the problem for two reasons.

1. 'better' antennas are almost never better in every direction, they tend to 
change the pattern (for omnidirectional antennas, they trade vertical 
sensitivity for better horizontal sensitivity), so your 'better' antenna may not 
hear interference from the floor above you.

2. your 'better' antenna will pick up interference from stations further away 
which the receiving stations don't hear, so something they hear you may not be 
able to make out.

There's a reason why RF engineering is half black magic and experience :-(

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-11 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-11 12:19 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-11 12:55 ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-11 13:45   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-11 14:48     ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-11 15:10       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-11 15:17         ` David Lang
2016-05-11 15:20           ` David Lang
2016-05-11 15:28             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-11 15:33         ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-11 16:19           ` Dave Taht
2016-05-11 16:29             ` Dave Taht
2016-05-11 16:40               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-11 16:33             ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-11 15:07     ` David Lang
2016-05-12 15:59     ` Dave Taht
2016-05-11 15:04   ` David Lang
2016-05-11 16:09     ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-11 16:41       ` Dave Taht
2016-05-11 18:13         ` Dave Taht
2016-05-12  7:26           ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-12  8:21           ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-12  8:40             ` David Lang
2016-05-12  8:48               ` Michal Kazior
2016-05-11 18:28         ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-11 18:35           ` Luca Muscariello
2016-05-11 15:03 ` David Lang
2016-05-11 15:15   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-05-11 15:24     ` David Lang
2016-05-11 16:35     ` moeller0
2016-05-11 23:25       ` David Lang [this message]
2016-05-12  6:41         ` moeller0

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