From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84DD83B260 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 23:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id j191so79414344ita.1 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:03:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to; bh=Nx5v3KM52LO7Ypwa1CW2yAFuB04wwDuPEF0DVh01wEo=; b=0FgOhEj3JkR9dCwjsZt+7yHWjh1vOECK/OCMy7O5OYQiCnpkqZdrpEyE65ui4smKu1 9qCmgRHayzKdlGgR8RngQQLxgF7Xku+oWrQN0mIEAAFDeeDAQP083LeyKnBbh6pytL6f EJhbFOgzaDX6Eo+fdIpHEKe6CQ8HwxClVkK1lM9ntnu51H5sf9tFCYGvrtxGlMlVSy3x J+Sh7VALSQtFYH/SfAQd59j5RVH5iIgFqsWYs7szrWHBvCx3+m7+8Hi+bJWjQj7/0+xX waduqECNJ0/vl7F5O8u3JWTc4iLA4Ol92Yul6FLJPddQmPjr0Q3Z695Xw1lPbz9NAPGM 4oFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=Nx5v3KM52LO7Ypwa1CW2yAFuB04wwDuPEF0DVh01wEo=; b=YYAtVpibLRLZ/r4nj8xvUy9s9eQgl7jxLBQ42j61ay2vazLgC+MUikjSAuRqaXI/QV GlD0njQKFJUKymF4N0t4tPTzB2m9Cx8eJ4rR3GUKZ4P/a8yyKZDU9FcaGzPYp4afLXbx IlJRjItXiCo04tbAWg/ZYK+gH4pFr6K3lAHPm0wSVCwQgb5MQCUnOZuJrP+bpoMRuQzs 8W2LoASSeRIctdvAnByQGBhMMBbkwxbhRV5UB5ugkTNYSRiVkGuSgFw10X0Jkr19pxia 5BZt38iXsV7ovZIRAfwqug/JSezcMCAoqzXg9gJFIPZjfzKpSsniBcnPomaxY990aW2W ZvHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC030ZxSZ39cV54gIe0Ye9B5NeRnnV7BtxyT56IpV6cUZU6LvjN+B31UtHZZUWNtfYg== X-Received: by 10.36.222.85 with SMTP id d82mr2227718itg.102.1479614620766; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (c-68-42-142-136.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. [68.42.142.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n127sm3820427ita.22.2016.11.19.20.03.39 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:03:39 -0800 (PST) To: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <4f96dab7-3785-88b8-ed20-4cdd68ff26ee@cox.net> From: Noah Causin Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 23:03:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2FC8F3461A4FC95608A105B5" Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Updated LEDE build with airtime patches X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 04:03:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2FC8F3461A4FC95608A105B5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The tweaks I usually do are for fine-tuning and can be too difficult for the average user. I made you a custom build and a config file, so you could easily have a finely-tuned build. Toke's build should work well for you. You have improvements to your WiFi stack in your router. The custom firewall rules I recommended before only work if you have a specific set of packages installed, so I recommend just removing them. If you have the dual-src and dual-dst settings in your SQM settings, keeping that will benefit you. On 11/19/2016 10:52 PM, Jon Pike wrote: > > I should have said that I stopped using your config, went back to > default. Was having issues, as I was learning LEDE and luci, > (probably more me than it) so config'ed from scratch, and THAT is what > I used when going from your build to Toke's. > > I could imagine eventual problems as what's in a LEDE version changes > too much, question is what is too much and how do you know? > > Has what I done pretty much accomplished the same thing? > > --------------- > From: Noah Causin > > To: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > > Cc: > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 22:32:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Updated LEDE build with airtime patches > What I think you should do is completely reset the router's settings > in the update firmware tab on that new build, and just setup the WiFi > names and passwords. > > Then go to luci-app-sqm, set your speeds, select cake, and select > piece_of_cake.qos. > > The settings file I set you was for a very thorough setup. I think > you should just go with basic WiFi and Cake to avoid conflicts > > > On Nov 19, 2016 7:32 PM, > wrote: > > And let me know what I might do to take more useful data with > DSLReports... > > > On Nov 19, 2016 7:20 PM, "Jon Pike" > wrote: > > Ok, hosed that first one up pretty good. Let's see how badly > I can do this time... > > > Taking it around the block... so far so good on my Archer > C7... ;-) > > Chickened out a bit, didn't try a sysupgrade, I had been > running a > custom build from Noah and didn't know if that was going to be > an issue. > Also didn't try to save settings, let it clean everything out. > Installed my most recent settings, that seemed to work. > Someone let me > know if there could be version issues there I might not have > noticed yet. > > I'm running on the settings Noah mentioned a while back, cake > and piece > of cake and the below: > > Simply select cake as the qdisc and a sqm script that uses > cake. Under > > the "Queue Discipline" tab, enable a set of two checkboxes. > > > > Under "Advanced option string to pass to the ingress queueing > > disciplines," put in "dual-dsthost nat" > > > > Under "Advanced option string to pass to the egress queueing > > disciplines," put in "dual-srchost nat" > > > > Because of the issues with WMM in the WiFi stack, I > recommend using the > > following custom iptables rules: > > > > iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -o br-lan -j DSCP > --set-dscp-class be > > iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -o br-lan -j DSCP > --set-dscp-class be > > ip6tables -t mangle -A FORWARD -o br-lan -j DSCP > --set-dscp-class be > > ip6tables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -o br-lan -j DSCP > --set-dscp-class be > > > > You still need WMM to get the full speeds on the newer WiFi > modes. > > > > Noah > > I'm a little uncertain of what parts of what are in what state of > working. Current setup is 65/6Mbit Cable Modem - C7 - variety > of Win > PC's and other things. I have a couple of AC1200 usb > adapters, a few > phones are AC as well, as well as a lot of N devices. Been > trying to > keep up with what's working with which interface. > > I'm getting mostly decent numbers for bufferbloat on > DSLreports. Only > have DSLreports as a test method now, so I'm not much good for > decent data. > My PC to eth connection has next to nothing, and most of the > time the > wifi looks very good with bloat below 30ms. > > I have been seeing an anomaly, though, in that I get a fast > startup, > with very low latency, download speed in the 50's, then after > 5-10 sec > the speed drops drastically to the 10's for a few seconds, > then rises > back up to the 50's again. I was getting ready to write this > up the > other night, then trying it again it was gone. Full, flat > speed thru > the whole test, over many tries. Tonight, it's back again. > This was > on Noah's build, as well as tonight's change to Toke's 11-18 > C7 build. > Not sure what to make of it. Here's an example URL to > DSLreports, if > that helps: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/6276874 > > > It can do this on 2.4Ghz and on 5Ghz with the AC1200 dongle, > believe it > did it on the N dongle, will try that shortly. Also, the game > player > is home from work now... we'll see what his comments are... > > Jon > > > > _______________________________________________ > Make-wifi-fast mailing list > Make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/make-wifi-fast --------------2FC8F3461A4FC95608A105B5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

The tweaks I usually do are for fine-tuning and can be too difficult for the average user.  I made you a custom build and a config file, so you could easily have a finely-tuned build.

Toke's build should work well for you.  You have improvements to your WiFi stack in your router.  The custom firewall rules I recommended before only work if you have a specific set of packages installed, so I recommend just removing them.  If you have the dual-src and dual-dst settings in your SQM settings, keeping that will benefit you.


On 11/19/2016 10:52 PM, Jon Pike wrote:

I should have said that I stopped using your config,  went back to default.  Was having issues, as I was learning LEDE and luci, (probably more me than it) so config'ed from scratch,  and THAT is what I used when going from your build to Toke's. 

I could imagine eventual problems as what's in a LEDE version changes too much,  question is what is too much and how do you know? 

Has what I done pretty much accomplished the same thing?

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From: Noah Causin <n0manletter@gmail.com>
To: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net
Cc:
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 22:32:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] Updated LEDE build with airtime patches
What I think you should do is completely reset the router's settings in the update firmware tab on that new build, and just setup the WiFi names and passwords.

Then go to luci-app-sqm, set your speeds, select cake, and select piece_of_cake.qos.

The settings file I set you was for a very thorough setup.  I think you should just go with basic WiFi and Cake to avoid conflicts


On Nov 19, 2016 7:32 PM, <make-wifi-fast-request@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

And let me know what I might do to take more useful data with DSLReports...


On Nov 19, 2016 7:20 PM, "Jon Pike" <jonpike54@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, hosed that first one up pretty good.   Let's see how badly I can do this time...


Taking it around the block... so far so good on my Archer C7...  ;-)

Chickened out a bit,  didn't try a sysupgrade,  I had been running a
custom build from Noah and didn't know if that was going to be an issue.
Also didn't try to save settings, let it clean everything out. 
Installed my most recent settings,  that seemed to work. Someone let me
know if there could be version issues there I might not have noticed yet.

I'm running on the settings Noah mentioned a while back, cake and piece
of cake and the below:
> Simply select cake as the qdisc and a sqm script that uses cake. Under
> the "Queue Discipline" tab, enable a set of two checkboxes.
>
> Under "Advanced option string to pass to the ingress queueing
> disciplines," put in "dual-dsthost nat"
>
> Under "Advanced option string to pass to the egress queueing
> disciplines," put in "dual-srchost nat"
>
> Because of the issues with WMM in the WiFi stack, I recommend using the
> following custom iptables rules:
>
> iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -o br-lan -j DSCP --set-dscp-class be
> iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -o br-lan -j DSCP --set-dscp-class be
> ip6tables -t mangle -A FORWARD -o br-lan -j DSCP --set-dscp-class be
> ip6tables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -o br-lan -j DSCP --set-dscp-class be
>
> You still need WMM to get the full speeds on the newer WiFi modes.
>
> Noah

I'm a little uncertain of what parts of what are in what state of
working.  Current setup is 65/6Mbit Cable Modem - C7 - variety of Win
PC's and other things.  I have a couple of AC1200 usb adapters, a few
phones are AC as well,  as well as a lot of N devices.   Been trying to
keep up with what's working with which interface.

I'm getting mostly decent numbers for bufferbloat on DSLreports. Only
have DSLreports as a test method now, so I'm not much good for decent data.
My PC to eth connection has next to nothing,  and most of the time the
wifi looks very good with bloat below 30ms.

I have been seeing an anomaly, though, in that I get a fast startup, 
with very low latency,  download speed in the 50's,  then after 5-10 sec
the speed drops drastically to the 10's for a few seconds,  then rises
back up to the 50's again.  I was getting ready to write this up the
other night,  then trying it again it was gone.  Full, flat speed thru
the whole test,  over many tries. Tonight,  it's back again.  This was
on Noah's build, as well as tonight's change to Toke's 11-18 C7 build. 
Not sure what to make of it.  Here's an example URL to DSLreports,  if
that helps: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/6276874

It can do this on 2.4Ghz and on 5Ghz with the AC1200 dongle, believe it
did it on the N dongle,  will try that shortly.  Also, the game player
is home from work now... we'll see what his comments are...

Jon



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