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From: Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	Felix Fietkau <nbd@nbd.name>, Kan Yan <kyan@google.com>,
	linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 1/4] mac80211: Add TXQ scheduling API
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:51:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <efa33810860b2e5db789a76747bb826b@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o9cvksiv.fsf@toke.dk>

On 2018-09-18 03:29, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org> writes:
> 
>> On 2018-09-16 10:42, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>> return_txq() should return a bool to inform the driver that whether
>> txq is queued back or not.
> 
> What would the driver do with that return value, exactly?
> 
never mind.. got lost with earlier schedule_txq API.

>> Otherwise the same txq will be served indefinitely until txq becomes
>> empty. This problem occurs when the driver is running out of hw
>> descriptors or driver sends only N frames (< backlog_packets).
> 
> No, if it's using next_txq(), the API guarantees that the same TXQ will
> not be returned more than once between a set of calls to
> schedule_start()/schedule_end() (by way of the seqno mechanism). I
> didn't add the same check to may_transmit(), because I assumed the
> driver would not be looping in this case. Is that not correct?
> 
Yeah.. you are correct. sorry for the noise.

>> Also an option to add the node at head or tail would be preferred. If
>> return_txq adds node at head of list, then it is forcing the driver to
>> serve same txq until it becomes empty. Also this will not allow the
>> driver to send N frames from each txqs.
> 
> The whole point of this patch set is to move those kinds of decisions
> out of the driver and into mac80211. The airtime scheduler won't 
> achieve
> fairness if it allows queues to be queued to the end of the rotation
> before its deficit turns negative. And obviously there's some lag in
> this since we're using after-the-fact airtime information.
> 
Hmm.. As you know ath10k kind of doing fairness by serving fixed frames
from each txq. This approach will be removed from ath10k.

> For ath9k this has not really been a problem in my tests; if the lag
> turns out to be too great for ath10k (which I suppose is a possibility
> since we don't get airtime information on every TX-compl), I figure we
> can use the same estimated airtime value that is used for throttling 
> the
> queues to adjust the deficit immediately...
> 
Thats true. I am porting Kan's changes of airtime estimation for each 
msdu
for firmware that does not report airtime.

-Rajkumar

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-18 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-16 17:42 [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 0/4] Move TXQ scheduling into mac80211 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 4/4] ath9k: Switch to mac80211 TXQ scheduling and airtime APIs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 3/4] mac80211: Add airtime accounting and scheduling to TXQs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-26  7:09   ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-26  9:22     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-27  0:09       ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28  5:29         ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28  7:51           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-28  9:27             ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28  9:44               ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28  9:58               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-28 10:19                 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 10:35                   ` Jonathan Morton
2018-09-28 10:47                     ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-28 11:02                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-28 19:51                         ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02  6:58                         ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02  7:41                           ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02  8:22                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-02 16:33                             ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-02 19:00                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-10-02 23:07                                 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-03  5:53                                   ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-03  6:27                                     ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-10-03  8:41                                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 1/4] mac80211: Add TXQ scheduling API Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-18  0:57   ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-18 10:29     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-18 18:51       ` Rajkumar Manoharan [this message]
2018-09-18 20:41         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-18 21:30           ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-19  9:09             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-19 14:43               ` Kalle Valo
2018-09-19 14:50                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-19 16:54                   ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-16 17:42 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 2/4] cfg80211: Add airtime statistics and settings Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-09-20 21:29 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [PATCH RFC v4 0/4] Move TXQ scheduling into mac80211 Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-09-21 12:41   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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