From: Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net,
Felix Fietkau <nbd@nbd.name>,
linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [RFC v2 1/4] mac80211: Add TXQ scheduling API
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:33:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f8038c8ea281b365ec560cae0dd1ec0f@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k1q09hf1.fsf@toke.dk>
On 2018-07-12 16:13, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org> writes:
>
>> On 2018-07-11 13:48, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>> Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-09 09:37, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> +/**
[...]
>>> Erm, how would this prevent an infinite loop? With this scheme, at
>>> some
>>> point, ieee80211_next_txq() removes the last txq from activeq, and
>>> returns that. Then, when it is called again the next time the driver
>>> loops, it's back to the first case (activeq empty, waitq non-empty);
>>> so
>>> it'll move waitq back as activeq and start over... Only the driver
>>> really knows when it is starting a logical "loop through all active
>>> TXQs".
>>>
>> Oops.. My bad.. The idea is that ieee80211_next_txq process txq from
>> activeq only and keep processed txqs separately. Having single list
>> eventually needs tracking mechanism. The point is that once activeq
>> becomes empty, splice waitq list and return NULL. So that driver can
>> break from the loop.
>>
>> ieee80211_next_txq
>> - if activeq empty,
>> - move waitq list into activeq
>> - return NULL
>>
>> - if activeq not empty
>> - fetch appropriate txq from activeq
>> - remove txq from activeq list.
>>
>> - If txq found, return txq else return NULL
>
> Right, so this would ensure the driver only sees each TXQ once *if it
> keeps looping*. But it doesn't necessarily; if the hardware queues fill
> up, for instance, it might abort earlier. In that case it would need to
> signal mac80211 that it is done for now, which is equivalent to
> signalling when it starts a scheduler round.
>
Hmm... I thought driver will call ieee80211_schedule_txq when it runs
out
of hardware descriptor and break the loop. The serving txq will be added
back to head of activeq list. no?
>>> Also, for airtime fairness, the queues are not scheduled strictly
>>> round-robin, so the dual-list scheme wouldn't work there either...
>>>
>> As you know, ath10k driver will operate in two tx modes (push-only,
>> push-pull). These modes will be switched dynamically depends on
>> firmware load or resource availability. In push-pull mode, firmware
>> will query N number of frames for set of STA, TID.
>
> Ah, so it will look up the TXQ without looping through the list of
> pending queues at all? Didn't realise that is what it's doing; yeah,
> that would be problematic for airtime fairness :)
>
>> So the driver will directly dequeue N number of frames from given txq.
>> In this case txq ordering alone wont help. I am planning to add below
>> changes in exiting API and add new API ieee80211_reorder_txq.
>>
>> ieee80211_txq_get_depth
>> - return deficit status along with frm_cnt
>>
>> ieee80211_reorder_txq
>> - if txq deficit > 0
>> - return;
>> - if txq is last
>> - return
>> - delete txq from list
>> - move it to tail
>> - update deficit by quantum
>>
>> ath10k_htt_rx_tx_fetch_ind
>> - get txq deficit status
>> - if txq deficit > 0
>> - dequeue skb
>> - else if deficit < 0
>> - return NULL
>>
>> Please share your thoughts.
>
> Hmm, not sure exactly how this would work; seems a little complicated?
> Also, I'd rather if drivers were completely oblivious to the deficit;
> that is a bit of an implementation detail...
>
Agree.. Initially I thought of adding deficit check in
ieee80211_tx_dequeue.
But It will be overhead of taking activeq_lock for every skbs. Perhaps
it can be renamed as allowed_to_dequeue instead of deficit.
> We could have an ieee80211_txq_may_pull(); or maybe just have
> ieee80211_tx_dequeue() return NULL if the deficit is negative?
>
As I said earlier, checking deficit for every skb will be an overhead.
It should be done once before accessing txq.
> the reasonable thing for the driver to do, then, would be to ask
> ieee80211_next_txq() for another TXQ to pull from if the current one
> doesn't work for whatever reason.
>
> Would that work for push-pull mode?
>
Not really. Driver shouldn't send other txq data instead of asked one.
In MU-MIMO, firmware will query N packets from given set of {STA,TID}.
So the driver not supposed to send other txq's data.
-Rajkumar
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-13 0:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-09 16:37 [Make-wifi-fast] [RFC v2 0/4] Move TXQ scheduling into mac80211 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-09 16:37 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFC v2 1/4] mac80211: Add TXQ scheduling API Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-11 0:14 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-07-11 20:48 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-12 22:40 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-07-12 23:13 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-13 0:33 ` Rajkumar Manoharan [this message]
2018-07-13 13:39 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-17 1:06 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-07-19 14:18 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-21 1:01 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-07-21 20:54 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-24 0:42 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-07-24 11:08 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-30 21:10 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-07-30 22:48 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-31 0:19 ` Rajkumar Manoharan
2018-08-29 7:36 ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-29 9:22 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-29 9:24 ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-29 10:09 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-09 16:37 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFC v2 4/4] ath9k: Switch to mac80211 TXQ scheduling and airtime APIs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-09 16:37 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFC v2 2/4] mac80211: Add airtime accounting and scheduling to TXQs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-29 7:44 ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-29 9:27 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-29 10:14 ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-29 10:33 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-08-29 10:40 ` Johannes Berg
2018-08-29 14:16 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-07-09 16:37 ` [Make-wifi-fast] [RFC v2 3/4] cfg80211: Add airtime statistics and settings Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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