From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (syn-045-059-245-186.biz.spectrum.com [45.59.245.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18C763B29E; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.3.133]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69A81DC69A; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: Sebastian Moeller cc: Rich Brown , rjmcmahon via Make-wifi-fast , bloat In-Reply-To: <8D08AFCD-B80E-46B3-B18F-B0864E8095F3@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <93639364-6937-4EE6-B218-2A02AF212362@gmail.com> <8D08AFCD-B80E-46B3-B18F-B0864E8095F3@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] Looking for a citation... X-BeenThere: make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 18:52:44 -0000 On Sun, 18 Aug 2024, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote: > *) I expect wildly different update schedules for routers/APs, notebooks, and > mobile devices. Smartphones might on the forefront with some folks replacing > them every 24 months, and laptops/APs on much slower schedules.... so even if > WiFi6/7 gear starts hitting some customer premises, I expect a looooong tail > of WiFi4/5 devices IoT devices, video doorbells, set top boxes, etc probably have much slower upgrade cycles and usually have much older chipsets even on their chip date. Some of them don't use a lot of data, but because they are using older encoding they use a lot more airtime than you expect. David Lang