>“A possible L4S end game?” Doubtful; latency is just emerging as a new competitive factor – like throughput. I also think – if we care about reducing latency – we should embrace whatever works well and achieves scale (Betamax vs VHS). 😉 From: Nnagain on behalf of Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain Reply-To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! Date: Monday, December 11, 2023 at 04:39 To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! Cc: Frank Borsik Subject: Re: [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster Top story on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38597744 My pick for top comment: [cid:image001.jpg@01DA2C18.141F16F0] A possible L4S end game? 😁 All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 7:22 PM, Robert McMahon via Nnagain > wrote: Sorry, this isn't a very good technical analysis. It's a push agenda for AQM. I get that many people's egos are tied to their belief that my algorithm came down from God himself. It's not true though. Bob On Dec 10, 2023, at 3:12 AM, Sauli Kiviranta via Nnagain > wrote: I find it alarming for the future of internet that there is a trend to use elbowing techniques to squeeze metrics out at the expense of all other flows. We know that when nobody plays fair the arms race ends badly. Best regards, Sauli On 12/10/23, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain > wrote: Well, to be completely honest, I would say its about general public, really - it’s an article in The Verge :-) But yeah. Here’s something they should address: https://github.com/heistp/l4s-tests#key-findings In general - a potential harm to innocent bystanders is a biggest L4S problem: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/frantisekborsik_jonathanmorton-l4s-ietf118-activity-7128317873571176448-GWAX All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 5:48 AM, Matt Mathis via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: About L4S https://www.theverge.com/23655762/l4s-internet-apple-comcast-latency-speed-bandwidth It says something about their target audience that they feel they need to explain bytes vs bits. Thanks, --MM-- Evil is defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use force to apply it to others. ________________________________ Matt Mathis (Email is best) Home & mobile: 412-654-7529 please leave a message if you must call. ________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain ________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain