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M.E.T. 1990" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0C278F23-8CD8-49A8-94EB-90F5BA2B055F@gmx.de> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.400.131.1.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Fl0GOXLpjwt9h0ISzUtLo6vH2Yqd8sdDDheR61LxyWhJwoY52hw eB7N+LdBANTJNKaBFHazu2+odmlwX7fAd897j0Si+t+GsgDf/GWzjOWV+Q7xNWu5T/1OQTZ 1Ic9EJWzq9anI3f3C4qWwO8Cdi+NXBNWIf+4CbcIEdMzF4ange019i9wxFATWn6YBEDN40i 5b5/VfQZCDGBOcDqIAHfA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:inAaLRrpJr0=;k/TnEqtDzC5u2aXs1pKnnl89y2W QFVDuSdN1+R1RtHoYpDpnul2whxCzoEz5BItpnIy1n3dcyx3rvZgZqWVbx5Py+ipg50hP2nD9 j+RNlVmj8RAU/CLpqWFwJS42kcCbJpU30CR3bnyxFzoy6/8eXAfC33wLfu2mLm6tZzRzNNqO3 sdou85GjGYugKHnlNAnOwO3g4z2IBbt4sr0uWDx36cbVDgxuNCkU4fICvqSbd3Aw67HgSjUt0 RetHMBs1BOYt2RDeonifjusZC83c9GsRxbdnK0MyJtdKQ8kt3ScNEwd95iW8DhpTsrpj20uuj pocli2EvE9NP5eyuekADDUHTERJiw2HmcFRpWMri6Dqp9XTwnGjdR/YkXhDZpydLbERBsr79x DLOhZbuZTm8Xv2aXtT9uFi9Gy51dn5HJV32HqkYIG7Cb8sHJQQZWEzBOpRqM/SFvwcnaAs4YP Ayu8nl+4/PDE1A7u9ekLQw7UFXFFk8n2AtSzNn3uYrGg6i35XdjgeEEIn76oGnrCbHRpITsi4 n7e192tH/gYnLmH2BWlYwcrLiBJ2IXYyeERGwZJ7oFEE20KaqCqRfHomUSo0WweORIvS/4Q0w 1cygsiCAM3raef+Z7TpwPicXv5ZKCCzVoaw+KZ4RiEQmI9KDLMKDnccrqsU5eHK0iJzrGcLC+ hNxj1SRYy3zeP+lcBTQPz8A6/wevrCLXBPiS5bdEHt1oOx5HwSuzO32W2/Znkc9FvTgcrY9/6 6lEN5vP3hQjRdDIBQKBa2gXzl/XDA408BgodHY7LEcfOvurp+FEztz9K3BmlUGnNw8ISNTYdZ SkHiCdplhdq1fRpkqc/NlAqeiiszVthRMtxWjqjfwB1Xp3cD/Z4ML49dCnhSTQ0qA2G8KddtS g6AUD7vwAHmTsqp6DGwgTWpXy5b94e0bKK2Pyk1elZc4a1nt7d2y4FMbZXRco0dWPDNkJf1oQ IC0VrRO442OS5/g0fcl/ldEqDA58P76cNlvsbg9QPY9Pnf2rigHY/0vXvKf/steVcE3NxEQmE wQx43PocTB5dan6IKHzgwVT1AH51zoo+HLcGBVNEP5HA/eFExRmGc/C5fYCelfY6JZzSS7yMv DI08ElgNw7dASe9+Q/vAY+7oSvaWOoc2/m8yu7jlE65i3WNxZsII/kpM3sN2ceWKZpk8rs5Dd MHMum4//zTMXaM78YmlJEmN1iaP9E4DXGnHK6xhZvMz3via3jh/Us0gQp3+75d8Yq43NJeuLX TAgmhm0RW/j5igdaxycKqQCOlAOZ0Y1kojggJrD1o/fZfChuFkU+A9iJOT95DIYKRRqEmX9/Z b/xKC//X5ixtG0p1QUOVHhb9AhutZ4X7DzKaUYyuK+iRwa2IogAauJI2wkJTJrUacaOdKl+aJ jWW7jjKabvCShBEzGCdFv7spt9S87bVQCpngAX2Va6S5MXzF0R8GL/LemlpTmiKQv/12uYBDj 25WC+UbNW0xkKYtgo6MPrEbs7ABUn+Gn5y1As9jiTzJdKJ5DC Subject: Re: [NNagain] Hurling rocks into Earth's gravity well X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:01:10 -0000 > On 17. Mar 2025, at 13:41, Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 via = Nnagain wrote: >=20 > Hello Dr. David. >=20 > The gravity at the surface of the Moon is larger than might be = expected since the volume to radius ratio is as r squared, so that with = a difference of 100 times that is a factor of 100x in gravity at surface = we can predict that the rocks they'll be throwing at us we'll be falling = up that is thrown out of the gravity wall for 1/10 the trip roughly and = falling down that is falling into that gravity well for 9/10 of the trip = causing an overall Factor of enormous acceleration. Offhand I would say = the process would achieve 80% of escape velocity. >=20 > The Australian science agency has a nice chart out for asteroid type = objects on their website. It summarizes the relationship between the = many many small rocks which are in our system and the very few large = rocks which accompany them as they move at various speeds knowing only = statistical information about how many rocks of which size and how fast = they're moving and what energy the net result is=20 >=20 > They quote figures of atta joules. So once given the upward that is = towards the Earth impetus a mere Boulder could do really significant = damage assuming that the transit time could be controlled carefully in = their was either accurate aiming or some type of midcourse correction to = get the target secured. >=20 > Trying to find my way back on topic to Net neutrality. Maybe a moon = base could be set up with a transmitter powered by a small nuclear = reactor Mmmh, radionuclear power generation seems realistic, a nuclear reactor = less so, given that you somehow need to dispose of waste heat eventually = and vacuum ist a good isolator... then again, for a sufficiently large = moon base you might actually want a heating source to make up for the = radiative heat loss. That said, you know what they say about the moon being a harsh mistress, = eh? > receiving signals from Earth and retransmitting them to make the = connections for data and voice. Compared to lofting a satellite having = the time to construct such an item on the surface of the Moon would be = advantageous the way it seems to me. I'm pretty sure that a satellite = would have to be put into place in orbit with its power supply and all = that and that's what starling does bloody bloody blah. >=20 > By the way I'm running for president.=20 > / / < GONCZ2028 > / >=20 >=20 > Cheers > Doug >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, 10:04 AM David Bray, PhD > wrote: >=20 > ... > > > > Meanwhile China probably will land humans on the moon within the = next four > > years of whomever is the next U.S. President. That may happen before = the > > U.S. returns to the Moon. Either way, a "base" on the Moon by 2035 = (which > > is PRC's goal) even if it's robots - or humans with the risk of loss = of > > life) raises some challenges in terms of SIGINT, GEOINT, and the = general > > ability to hurl rocks into Earth's gravity well.... > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain