[NNagain] Verified Email

[NNagain] Verified Email

[Steve Crocker]

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Hi Network,

I’ve been using a new tool called Verified Email
<https://verified.inc/verified-email?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>.
It runs in my inbox and shows me who’s a real person — saves time and
reduces spam.

Thought you might find it useful. Here’s my invite link
<https://wallet.verified.inc/authentication?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
if you want to try it.

Steve

Sent by a Verified
[image: Sent by a Verified sender]
<https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
sender

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Re: [NNagain] Verified Email

[Christopher Hawker]

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With all due respect, I didn't think this was a mailing list to advertise paid services.

Dave?

Regards,
Christopher Hawker
________________________________
From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Steve Crocker via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2024 9:18 PM
To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Cc: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
Subject: [NNagain] Verified Email

Hi Network,

I’ve been using a new tool called Verified Email<https://verified.inc/verified-email?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>. It runs in my inbox and shows me who’s a real person — saves time and reduces spam.

Thought you might find it useful. Here’s my invite link<https://wallet.verified.inc/authentication?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y> if you want to try it.

Steve

Sent by a Verified
[Sent by a Verified sender] <https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
sender

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Re: [NNagain] Verified Email

[Vint Cerf]

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i wondered whether this was a hack. Not like Steve to do this.
v


On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:20 AM Christopher Hawker via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> With all due respect, I didn't think this was a mailing list to advertise
> paid services.
>
> Dave?
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Hawker
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of
> Steve Crocker via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2024 9:18 PM
> *To:* nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> *Cc:* Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
> *Subject:* [NNagain] Verified Email
>
> Hi Network,
>
> I’ve been using a new tool called Verified Email
> <https://verified.inc/verified-email?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>.
> It runs in my inbox and shows me who’s a real person — saves time and
> reduces spam.
>
> Thought you might find it useful. Here’s my invite link
> <https://wallet.verified.inc/authentication?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
> if you want to try it.
>
> Steve
>
> Sent by a Verified
> [image: Sent by a Verified sender]
> <https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
> sender
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>


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Reston, VA 20190
+1 (571) 213 1346


until further notice

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Re: [NNagain] Verified Email

[Bill Woodcock]

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Rather than a hack, per se, I suspect that it’s a dot-com abusing Steve’s trust and his contacts, spamming all of them.

-Bill

> On Wednesday, Mar 13, 2024 at 11:22, Vint Cerf via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net (mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net)> wrote:
> i wondered whether this was a hack. Not like Steve to do this.
> v
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:20 AM Christopher Hawker via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net (mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net)> wrote:
> > With all due respect, I didn't think this was a mailing list to advertise paid services.
> >
> > Dave?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Christopher Hawker
> >
> > From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net (mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net)> on behalf of Steve Crocker via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net (mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net)>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2024 9:18 PM
> > To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net (mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net) <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net (mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net)>
> > Cc: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com (mailto:steve@shinkuro.com)>
> > Subject: [NNagain] Verified Email
> >
> >
> > Hi Network,
> >
> > I’ve been using a new tool called Verified Email (https://verified.inc/verified-email?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y). It runs in my inbox and shows me who’s a real person — saves time and reduces spam.
> >
> > Thought you might find it useful. Here’s my invite link (https://wallet.verified.inc/authentication?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y) if you want to try it.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Sent by a Verified
> >
> > sender
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nnagain mailing list
> > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net (mailto:Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net)
> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>
> --
> Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to:
> Vint Cerf
> Google, LLC
> 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor
> Reston, VA 20190
> +1 (571) 213 1346
>
>
> until further notice
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain

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Re: [NNagain] Verified Email

[Vint Cerf]

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yes, I should have been more precise - that's what I had in mind, too.
v


On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:28 AM Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:

> Rather than a hack, per se, I suspect that it’s a dot-com abusing Steve’s
> trust and his contacts, spamming all of them.
>
>                                 -Bill
>
>
> On Wednesday, Mar 13, 2024 at 11:22, Vint Cerf via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> i wondered whether this was a hack. Not like Steve to do this.
> v
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:20 AM Christopher Hawker via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> With all due respect, I didn't think this was a mailing list to advertise
>> paid services.
>>
>> Dave?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Christopher Hawker
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of
>> Steve Crocker via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2024 9:18 PM
>> *To:* nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> *Cc:* Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
>> *Subject:* [NNagain] Verified Email
>>
>> Hi Network,
>>
>> I’ve been using a new tool called Verified Email
>> <https://verified.inc/verified-email?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>.
>> It runs in my inbox and shows me who’s a real person — saves time and
>> reduces spam.
>>
>> Thought you might find it useful. Here’s my invite link
>> <https://wallet.verified.inc/authentication?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
>> if you want to try it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Sent by a Verified
>> [image: Sent by a Verified sender]
>> <https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
>> sender
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nnagain mailing list
>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>>
>
>
> --
> Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to:
> Vint Cerf
> Google, LLC
> 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor
> Reston, VA 20190
> +1 (571) 213 1346 <(571)%20213-1346>
>
>
> until further notice
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>

-- 
Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to:
Vint Cerf
Google, LLC
1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor
Reston, VA 20190
+1 (571) 213 1346


until further notice

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Re: [NNagain] Verified Email

[Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond]

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Especially when the message was "Hi $firstname,"
(as in his address book $firstname $lastname = Network Neutrality Again)
O.

On 13/03/2024 11:27, Vint Cerf via Nnagain wrote:
> yes, I should have been more precise - that's what I had in mind, too.
> v
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:28 AM Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote:
>
>     Rather than a hack, per se, I suspect that it’s a dot-com abusing
>     Steve’s trust and his contacts, spamming all of them.
>
>           -Bill
>
>
>         On Wednesday, Mar 13, 2024 at 11:22, Vint Cerf via Nnagain
>         <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>         i wondered whether this was a hack. Not like Steve to do this.
>         v
>
>
>         On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 6:20 AM Christopher Hawker via Nnagain
>         <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>             With all due respect, I didn't think this was a mailing
>             list to advertise paid services.
>
>             Dave?
>
>             Regards,
>             Christopher Hawker
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on
>             behalf of Steve Crocker via Nnagain
>             <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>             *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2024 9:18 PM
>             *To:* nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>             <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>             *Cc:* Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
>             *Subject:* [NNagain] Verified Email
>             Hi Network,
>
>             I’ve been using a new tool called Verified Email
>             <https://verified.inc/verified-email?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>.
>             It runs in my inbox and shows me who’s a real person —
>             saves time and reduces spam.
>
>             Thought you might find it useful. Here’s my invite link
>             <https://wallet.verified.inc/authentication?email=nnagain%40lists.bufferbloat.net&verificationCode=756653&referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
>             if you want to try it.
>
>             Steve
>
>             Sent by a Verified
>             Sent by a Verified sender
>             <https://wallet.unumid.co/authenticate?referralCode=tcp16fM4W47y>
>             sender
>             _______________________________________________
>             Nnagain mailing list
>             Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>             https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>
>
>         -- 
>         Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to:
>         Vint Cerf
>         Google, LLC
>         1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor
>         Reston, VA 20190
>         +1 (571) 213 1346 <tel:(571)%20213-1346>
>
>
>         until further notice
>
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         Nnagain mailing list
>         Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>         https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>
>
> -- 
> Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to:
> Vint Cerf
> Google, LLC
> 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor
> Reston, VA 20190
> +1 (571) 213 1346
>
>
> until further notice
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain

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Re: [NNagain] Verified Email

[Steve Crocker]

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Re: [NNagain] Verified Email

[Steve Crocker]

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[NNagain] Scope of "Network Neutrality"?

[Jack Haverty]

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Steve's message (or perhaps it was a deep fake generated by an AI and 
not really from Steve?) got me thinking about "Network Neutrality" and 
Email, and wondering how they (and other "applications")  relate to each 
other.

I don't know if there is a legal definition of "network neutrality", but 
Wikipedia says:

"*Network neutrality*, often referred to as *net neutrality*, is the 
principle that Internet service providers 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_service_provider> (ISPs) must 
treat all Internet <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet> 
communications <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication> equally, 
offering users <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_(computing)> and 
online content providers consistent rates irrespective of content, 
website <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website>, platform 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computing_platform>, application 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_software>, type of equipment, 
source address, destination address, or method of communication (i.e., 
without price discrimination 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination>)"

If I put on my non-techie hat and think like a lawyer or politician for 
a minute (and IANAL), what does "Network Neutrality" mean to me?

My ISP provides me with a variety of "internet communications" 
services.  It includes the ability to send and receive IP datagrams, but 
as a non-techie human I don't do that myself or even know what it 
means.   To me, the Network is all about what I use it to do. That 
includes email, using the web, and other forms of interacting with other 
humans and organizations.

My ISP provides me with an email address and the ability to send and 
receive email.  Many ISPs apparently do this too.   Some also provide me 
the ability to have my own website which the ISP operates somewhere in 
its "cloud".

There is much more to "Internet communications services" than just 
transporting IP datagrams, especially in the minds of the non-techie masses.

Does this mean that email, web hosting, and other such communications 
that people do on the 'Net must conform to whatever laws, rules, 
regulations, and policies are created to enforce Network Neutrality?  
Why would Network Neutrality be limited to just the service of 
transporting IP datagrams?

So, ...

Does that mean that all email must be treated equally?  Can ISPs, or 
their Users, limit the kinds of content that can be sent in email? Must 
all "spam filters" be removed since they treat email communications 
differently based on content, addresses, or other characteristics?   Can 
"mailing lists" (like this one) restrict the content sent through them 
or the addresses allowed to use them?

Does that mean that all websites must be treated without prejudice -- so 
that features like "ad blockers" become illegal?

Does that mean that "social media" communications services are ISPs, 
since they provide communications service as part of the Internet? Are 
they subject to Network Neutrality laws and regulations?

You probably get the idea....   Thinking like a lawyer or policy-maker, 
how would you answer such questions?   How do you think the actual 
policy-makers will?

Jack Haverty


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